SPIDER-MAN 4 on "indefinite hold"

[wamdue]

excuse me a minute whilst I say something some might call "radical" why doesnt a Spiderman movie make up its own villain, sure Spiderman has a large rouges gallery that have served him well over the years, but would a movie with a new villain be the worst thing in the world?

Yes, because then we'd end up with "a major bad guy", as was presented in Star Trek: Nemesis.

you cant judge all movies by Star Trek: Nemsis

 

[John Picard]

excuse me a minute whilst I say something some might call "radical" why doesnt a Spiderman movie make up its own villain, sure Spiderman has a large rouges gallery that have served him well over the years, but would a movie with a new villain be the worst thing in the world?

Yes, because then we'd end up with "a major bad guy", as was presented in Star Trek: Nemesis.

you cant judge all movies by Star Trek: Nemsis

No, but I can count on Hollywood to come up with something craptacular. The suits always think that by deviating from standard mythology will "really give fans what they want". Nemesis is just one example of how Hollywood screws things up.

 

[JacksonArcher]

I'm all for entrusting Raimi. However, I agree with Sony about the villain thing. I wouldn't mind The Vulture if he was just a secondary villain sharing the screen with someone else (other than "The Vulturess"...) but I'm not sure if he can lead a film all by himself.

 

[wamdue]

Yes, because then we'd end up with "a major bad guy", as was presented in Star Trek: Nemesis.

you cant judge all movies by Star Trek: Nemsis

No, but I can count on Hollywood to come up with something craptacular. The suits always think that by deviating from standard mythology will "really give fans what they want". Nemesis is just one example of how Hollywood screws things up.

you are right of course, if its the studio that comes up with the new villain and not the creative types, chances are it will be shit, I just dont think the franchise should limit itself to just the comic book rouges gallery.

 

[Pingfah]

Oh good, maybe he'll use this imposed Spidey break to return to making films that don't suck. Drag me to Hell was a decent start.

 

[Christopher]

Villains I want to see Spidey go up against:

Hulk - come on, Hulk's not doing anything right now

Wolverine - see above, and let Spidey get together with Kitty Pryde

Kingpin - except didn't Daredevil already whack him?

The problem is, Sony makes the Spidey films, Marvel has the movie rights to the Hulk, and Fox has the movie rights to Wolverine and Kingpin. So those crossovers are impossible unless somebody shells out megabucks to a rival studio, or unless Marvel reacquires the rights to the outsourced characters and starts from scratch (as they did with the Hulk).

The least good movie, 3, is the one where the studio and producers interfered and made Raimi use a villain (Venom) he always said he didn't like and didn't want to use. The best parts of 3 feature the villain Raimi did want to use (Sandman). So, you'd think it would be a no-brainer for the studio to say 'Ok Sam, we f*cked up, back to you, do it your way.' But clearly there are no brains at work here.

Welcome to Hollywood.

 

[Thrall]

Thank God. Kudos to the studio.

 

[DEWLine]

There's that shareholder meeting at Marvel coming up to vote on the Disney deal on their end.

 

[Trent Roman]

^ Which doesn't affect this film, because it's being made by Sony.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[Aragorn]

The least good movie, 3, is the one where the studio and producers interfered and made Raimi use a villain (Venom) he always said he didn't like and didn't want to use. The best parts of 3 feature the villain Raimi did want to use (Sandman). So, you'd think it would be a no-brainer for the studio to say 'Ok Sam, we f*cked up, back to you, do it your way.' But clearly there are no brains at work here.

But on the other hand, Spider-Man 3 was the biggest money-maker of the franchise, so it doesn't matter how crappy the movie was (see Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen).

Moviemaking usually involves too many chefs in the kitchen, most of them who don't know how to cook. That's how they roll.

 

[Trent Roman]

But on the other hand, Spider-Man 3 was the biggest money-maker of the franchise, so it doesn't matter how crappy the movie was (see Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen).

Where do you get your data? I consulted Box Office Mojo, and both adjusted for inflation and otherwise, the third film comes in below the other two. Is there part of this equation (like how much revenue goes to the studio) that I'm missing?

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[Aragorn]

Well if that's then sorry, I misspoke. Box Office Mojo isn't a site I'd ever go to. I was probably thinking of the opening "records" it broke at the time.

 

[drychlick]

just get the thing made

 

[Trent Roman]

Well if that's then sorry, I misspoke. Box Office Mojo isn't a site I'd ever go to. I was probably thinking of the opening "records" it broke at the time.

Oh, yes, it did boffo when it opened, and some of those records still stand. But it didn't have the durability of its predecessors and, ultimately, brought in less. Front-loaded, you could say.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[wamdue]

it is a shame they cant use Kingpin, but Spiderman vs Hulk could work,

 

[Aragorn]

Is Avi Arad still in a position to be meddling and interfering?

 

[Timby]

Is Avi Arad still in a position to be meddling and interfering?

While he resigned from Marvel to form his own production company, he's still producing various Marvel features, including Iron Man II, Spider-Man 4 and Thor.

 

[DarthPipes]

Personally, I have enough faith in Rami that he can develop a good story around the Vulture. I can see him taking some creative liberties as he did with all the other villains to make him more interesting/complex as a character. Look at the Batman series. Ras Al Ghul was a bit of a lame 2nd tier villain, and look how well that turned out.

Just like he created a good story with The Sandman? Yet another Raimi "I'm not an evil man" villain. The Sandman was such a cliched character that Raimi had to come up with more cliches (the sick child, the "I'm not an evil man" bit ) just to make him interesting and failed. Worse, he completely pissed on the Spider-Man mythos he so claims to cherish with the Uncle Ben killer revisionism.

Thank God the studio forced Venom in Spider-Man 3. Along with Harry Osbourne, it gave the film an interesting villain. Even that was screwed up by not building that storyline sooner.

Besides, we all know how the fourth film will end. Mary Jane will be kidnapped by the villain and Spider-Man will have to recue her.

 

[Aragorn]

^ Or maybe Spider-Man will get captured and Mary Jane will have to put on some Osborn tech to save him.

 

[ThunderAeroI]

^, i like it. I assume there is some canon to back that up?