SPIDER-MAN 4 on "indefinite hold"

[Admiral_Young]

I've always considered Ra's to be Batman's equally and much more deadlier and interesting than Joker who's psychotic. Ra's an eco-terrorist who wants to cleanse the planet of the human virus he believes has polluted it and begin anew with him being absolute rule. Ra's an ultimate elitist contrast that against Bruce's morals and you have a great villain. Ra's probably my favorite Batman villain, with Joker being second so I was very excited when he was announced as being the villain in Batman Begins.

As for this ongoing Vulture debate...I think maybe the problem the people have with the Vulture is that Adrian Tooms is an old man. I liked the Vulture in the comics and animated series, my brother is a huge Vulture fan and is looking forward to seeing him in the movie. How to make him interesting and dangerous? If anyone can then I think it's Sam Rami...

 

[Jetfire]

I gave up on Spider-Man after seeing the second one...saw some of 3 but it bored me...I wanna see Mysterio dammit!!!

 

[exodus]

Personally, I have enough faith in Rami that he can develop a good story around the Vulture. I can see him taking some creative liberties as he did with all the other villains to make him more interesting/complex as a character. Look at the Batman series. Ras Al Ghul was a bit of a lame 2nd tier villain, and look how well that turned out.

I agree with you.

I also understand you point about Ra's Al Ghul too.
His character never would have worked in the Burton/Schlumaker films of Batman. Batman had to be reworked into something real world believable(which meant removing the Lazarus Pit concept) in order to make him a villain with a concept that can possibly be real.


Plus, how can the Vulture be lame with John Malkovitch playing him?
The Lizard doesn't even speak!

Spidey: "Lizard, where have you taken Mary Jane!?!"

Lizard: "SSssssss!!"

Spidey: "Where!?!"

Lizard: "Ssssss!"

Spidey: "What have you done with Dr. Connors!?"

Lizard: "Sssssss!!"

Spidey: "Huh?"

Lizard: "Ssssss!!!"

Spidey: "......."

 

[Trekker4747]

I'm tired of Rami.

He's nonsense that was Spider-Man 3 turned me off on him and, frankly, he didn't have me all that "turned on" to begin with. As good as SM2 was it still has flaws and problems. But SM3 is a big pile of schlocky shit.

Someone else needs to take over (reboot?) Spider-man and do a better, less absurd, take on it.

In this current movie series, doing The Lizard couldn't possibly be more obvious, it's well past time to do it.

 

[exodus]

I'm tired of Rami.

He's nonsense that was Spider-Man 3 turned me off on him and, frankly, he didn't have me all that "turned on" to begin with. As good as SM2 was it still has flaws and problems. But SM3 is a big pile of schlocky shit.

Someone else needs to take over (reboot?) Spider-man and do a better, less absurd, take on it.

In this current movie series, doing The Lizard couldn't possibly be more obvious, it's well past time to do it.

No, no more reboots either.

It's time we stopped treating these movies like a Happy Meal where it's the same thing but with a different toy inside. Besides, the alterations made from comic to movie is already one from of reboot as is.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Especially since there are still much more interesting villains in the Spider-Man villain pantheon (Kraven The Hunter, Mysterio, Electro, The Kingpin, The Lizard... anyone other than The Vulture...).

I keep thinking that Bruce Campbell would be awesome as Mysterio.

Another villain that I think would work on film -- Morbius, the Living Vampire. With vampires as the zeitgeist these days, I could see Sony thinking that Morbius is the way to go.

 

[JacksonArcher]

1. Exactly how is The Vulture anymore lame than the Lizard? I will never get comic book folks.

Hmm. Let me see. You have a character that has been developed over three movies and actually has emotional ties to Peter Parker. After a tragic accident he becomes a horrifying villain. I don't think he could headline a movie, but certainly has potential as one of the lead villains. Compared to a character that has one of the more unassuming asthetics of any Spider-Man villain. Oh, and thanks for calling me a "comic-book folk" ... I appreciate the generalizaiton.

 

[exodus]

1. Exactly how is The Vulture anymore lame than the Lizard? I will never get comic book folks.

Hmm. Let me see. You have a character that has been developed over three movies and actually has emotional ties to Peter Parker. After a tragic accident he becomes a horrifying villain. I don't think he could headline a movie, but certainly has potential as one of the lead villains. Compared to a character that has one of the more unassuming asthetics of any Spider-Man villain. Oh, and thanks for calling me a "comic-book folk" ... I appreciate the generalizaiton.

...which was already done with Doc Oct., so I can kinda see why they don't wanna repeat that theme in another film.

 

[JacksonArcher]

1. Exactly how is The Vulture anymore lame than the Lizard? I will never get comic book folks.

Hmm. Let me see. You have a character that has been developed over three movies and actually has emotional ties to Peter Parker. After a tragic accident he becomes a horrifying villain. I don't think he could headline a movie, but certainly has potential as one of the lead villains. Compared to a character that has one of the more unassuming asthetics of any Spider-Man villain. Oh, and thanks for calling me a "comic-book folk" ... I appreciate the generalizaiton.

...which was already done with Doc Oct., so I can kinda see why they don't wanna repeat that theme in another film.

They did it with Green Goblin and then with Sandman as well. That's a reoccuring theme in the Spidey movies, apparently. I'm assuming it'll be done with The Vulture. Raimi loves sympathetic villains with complicated backstories.

 

[exodus]

Hmm. Let me see. You have a character that has been developed over three movies and actually has emotional ties to Peter Parker. After a tragic accident he becomes a horrifying villain. I don't think he could headline a movie, but certainly has potential as one of the lead villains. Compared to a character that has one of the more unassuming asthetics of any Spider-Man villain. Oh, and thanks for calling me a "comic-book folk" ... I appreciate the generalizaiton.

...which was already done with Doc Oct., so I can kinda see why they don't wanna repeat that theme in another film.

They did it with Green Goblin and then with Sandman as well. That's a reoccuring theme in the Spidey movies, apparently. I'm assuming it'll be done with The Vulture. Raimi loves sympathetic villains with complicated backstories.

...Venom too.

Yeah, I guess you're right.

 

[DEWLine]

I'd be inclined to trust Raimi to get it right. Especially after what happened with movie # 3.

 

[FPAlpha]

Awesome.. CEOs who get informed by their market research groups about the famousness of certain villains and who "may" have thumbed through a few comic books at best are taking on creative decisions despite having a proven staff of dedicated artists who have delved deep into this character and all that makes him a superhero.

That's Hollywood for you..

 

[Roshi]

... after they wasted 3 villains in the last one.

And the lead too.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

The best villain choice would be Russell Crowe as the Kangaroo

 

[Broccoli]

The best villain choice would be Russell Crowe as the Kangaroo

Nah...too obvious.

 

[wamdue]

excuse me a minute whilst I say something some might call "radical" why doesnt a Spiderman movie make up its own villain, sure Spiderman has a large rouges gallery that have served him well over the years, but would a movie with a new villain be the worst thing in the world?

 

[John Picard]

excuse me a minute whilst I say something some might call "radical" why doesnt a Spiderman movie make up its own villain, sure Spiderman has a large rouges gallery that have served him well over the years, but would a movie with a new villain be the worst thing in the world?

Yes, because then we'd end up with "a major bad guy", as was presented in Star Trek: Nemesis.

 

[The Comedian]

Villains I want to see Spidey go up against:

Hulk - come on, Hulk's not doing anything right now

Wolverine - see above, and let Spidey get together with Kitty Pryde

Kingpin - except didn't Daredevil already whack him?

 

[Captaindemotion]

My take on this is that Raimi has made the studio a billion odd dollars with this series. The most Raimi-esque movie, no 2 (think of the scene where Doc Ock's tentacles come to life - very Evil Dead), is also the best.

The least good movie, 3, is the one where the studio and producers interfered and made Raimi use a villain (Venom) he always said he didn't like and didn't want to use. The best parts of 3 feature the villain Raimi did want to use (Sandman). So, you'd think it would be a no-brainer for the studio to say 'Ok Sam, we f*cked up, back to you, do it your way.' But clearly there are no brains at work here.

I agree that if the Vulture were depicted onscreen as an old man who looks something like The Sopranos' Uncle Junior (as he does in the comics), audiences might laugh. Spider-man versus an old age pensioner? But someone like John Malkovich - who was also one of the original choices for the Green Goblin - would carry sufficient menace and threat to be taken seriously.

The Lizard would work too. He doesn't have to be a raging beast, he could retain some sort of animal intelligence and savagery while turning back and fro into Connors. He could be used by The Vulture as his pawn to give Spidey an equal match in a fight. S-M 3 may have had too many villains, but The Dark Knight showed that you can successfully have two top-tier bad guys in the movie and not over-egg the pudding.

So Sony - you hired Mr Raimi for a reason. Have a little trust in the man, FFS.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Ras Al Ghul was a bit of a lame 2nd tier villain

NONCE SENSE

IGN has him listed as the 7th greatest comic book villain of all time.