See! See!! That makes it cool!! The episode was made of win, simply because of that. Also that phaser battle in new york was pretty cool
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See! See!! That makes it cool!! The episode was made of win, simply because of that. Also that phaser battle in new york was pretty cool
I hated it. I already thought Zero Hour was a bit of a letdown after the excellent Countdown, but it seemed to be doing its job; then we got the twist ending. I've got no problem with twist endings per se, but that one was completely absurd - it deflated the drama of the Xindi arc. I thought Storm Front parts 1 and 2 were pretty much a complete waste - I just wish the last scene of that two-parter had been the last scene of Zero Hour and that we'd had Home as the opener for Season 4.
I've got to say, people rave about how great Season 4 is, but it still contains Storm Front parts 1 and 2 AND These Are the Voyages.
I've got to say, people rave about how great Season 4 is, but it still contains Storm Front parts 1 and 2 AND These Are the Voyages.
Just like Space Hippies. You can watch them die in agony and not feel bad about it at all. Doesn't make 'em any less obnoxious, though.
I never boycotted Trek. Ever. I give everything a shot, and I usually end up liking it. But...should Space Nazis ever again make a special guest appearance on the big or the small screen, I swear I'm going to stay the fuck away from it - lest I bust a tit or something.
God, I hate Space Nazis. They are lame and weak and just plain stupid. Can't writers come up with anything more original and less cliched? With all the aliens emulating the actual Nazis, I wonder if they have any knowledge of our history, or they just fancy the cool uniforms.
I like hippies. Nazis, not so much.
All they really do is smoke pot and smell bad. 
It must be the cool uniforms. Somewhere I read that a young Hugo Boss designed at least some of the outfits. Don't know if its true though.
Space Nazis are of course bad, very bad, but by that time I'd given up on ENT being anything other than monumentally silly, so for me it was kind of good, being excellent fodder for hilarity while waiting for the fall season to start.
Hugo Boss did sell SS and other Nazi uniforms, and he even used forced labor.
Space Nazis are always awful.
Space Lizard Alien Nazis from the Future, exponentially so.
Space Lizard Alien Nazis from the Future, exponentially so.
And I used to love me a man in a nice Hugo Boss suit.... when in all likelihood, it's just an Space Alien Lizard Nazi from the Future. Always up to something, aren't they?
Damn it.
Damn it.
THIS, THIS, THIS! I was SO angry, I couldn't sleep! I told my wife, "F-ing Space Nazis! Star Trek is dead!" Glad I was wrong about about ST being dead.
I was SO turned off, I didn't bother to watch season 4 until that weird syndication package a year later that only showed about 65-75% of the eps from season two and a few season 1 and 2 eps. That was plain WEIRD, however, it was enough to wet my appetite for more of season 4. I did eventually see season 4 on DVD and found it better than 1 or 2, maybe a fraction better than season 3 overall.
However, as mentioned above, season 4 did include the idiotic Space Nazi wrap up and the unforgivable misfunctioning halodeck dreck/"Valentine" TATV.
No but the guys John Gill taught Nazi 101 to were. They my be the only true "Space Nazis" since they are the only one who actually practiced Nazism.Even without the Nazi ideology?
Kirk and Spock also wore the uniforms, does that make them Space Nazis too?
Being a Hirogen in a SS uniform makes one a Space Nazi.
Space Nazis are fucking awesome. Not only was the scene in Zero Hour quite possibly the best cliffhanger ever, the Alien Nazi fired up my imagination summer of 2004.
While Storm Front is an entertaining enough episode, and its take on alternate WWII history is quite enjoyable, I was still somewhat disappointed in a story that could have been so much more. I wanted the aliens to actually be 20th century aliens being manipulated by Future Guy (much like how he manipulated the Suliban in the 22nd century) and were acting on his orders, secretly involved in WWII for whatever reasons. Maybe they wouldn't reveal the reasons, not much about the TCW and nothing about Future Guy ever was revealed. And I mean actual WWII, not alternate timeline that gets erased WWII. I wanted it to be an epic tale featuring Hitler (not stock footage spliced together to make it look like he's visiting America), Churchill, Eisenhower, Roosevelt, Stalin. Sigh.
Oh well, the alternate history angle was fun. Unfortunately, they had less of a budget in the fourth season, and it showed. The initial description of a Nazi occupied White House sounded awesome, but cheap CGI ruined it and made it look crappy. Was it so hard to take an actual image of the White House and digitally insert Nazi flags and banners?
Vosk was a cool villain with some awesome dialogue. "Every moment we live we travel through time. We've earned the right to decide which direction."
Overall, I consider the Space Nazis to be among the most awesome things Star Trek has ever delivered. While Star Trek may be more remembered for the more profound and serious contributions TOS, TNG, and DS9 gave us (and well it should) it never hurts to sometimes let your hair down and have fun, and therefore there will always be room for a Space Nazi in whatever incarnation of Star Trek we watch.
While Storm Front is an entertaining enough episode, and its take on alternate WWII history is quite enjoyable, I was still somewhat disappointed in a story that could have been so much more. I wanted the aliens to actually be 20th century aliens being manipulated by Future Guy (much like how he manipulated the Suliban in the 22nd century) and were acting on his orders, secretly involved in WWII for whatever reasons. Maybe they wouldn't reveal the reasons, not much about the TCW and nothing about Future Guy ever was revealed. And I mean actual WWII, not alternate timeline that gets erased WWII. I wanted it to be an epic tale featuring Hitler (not stock footage spliced together to make it look like he's visiting America), Churchill, Eisenhower, Roosevelt, Stalin. Sigh.
Oh well, the alternate history angle was fun. Unfortunately, they had less of a budget in the fourth season, and it showed. The initial description of a Nazi occupied White House sounded awesome, but cheap CGI ruined it and made it look crappy. Was it so hard to take an actual image of the White House and digitally insert Nazi flags and banners?
Vosk was a cool villain with some awesome dialogue. "Every moment we live we travel through time. We've earned the right to decide which direction."
Overall, I consider the Space Nazis to be among the most awesome things Star Trek has ever delivered. While Star Trek may be more remembered for the more profound and serious contributions TOS, TNG, and DS9 gave us (and well it should) it never hurts to sometimes let your hair down and have fun, and therefore there will always be room for a Space Nazi in whatever incarnation of Star Trek we watch.
Space Nazi's are a part of Science Fiction since at least the late 40s..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_Ship_Galileo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Iron_Dream
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_Ship_Galileo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Iron_Dream
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn4DW1uvsAE[/yt]
THIS, THIS, THIS! I was SO angry, I couldn't sleep! I told my wife, "F-ing Space Nazis! Star Trek is dead!" Glad I was wrong about about ST being dead.
I was SO turned off, I didn't bother to watch season 4 until that weird syndication package a year later that only showed about 65-75% of the eps from season two and a few season 1 and 2 eps. That was plain WEIRD, however, it was enough to wet my appetite for more of season 4. I did eventually see season 4 on DVD and found it better than 1 or 2, maybe a fraction better than season 3 overall.
However, as mentioned above, season 4 did include the idiotic Space Nazi wrap up and the unforgivable misfunctioning halodeck dreck/"Valentine" TATV.
I was happy -- it was a great Twilight Zone/Outer Limits twist moment that is lacking in most modern sci-fi.
Despite my earlier comments about the cliffhanger being the best cliffhanger ever, I do admit on the night Zero Hour aired, I wasn't exactly enthusiastic. I wasn't particularly angry or disappointed, in fact when the alien walked forward from the shadowy corner and the credits rolled I just sat there of ten seconds and then said "well that was fucked up," then turned the TV off. Time helped me appreciate that for the excellence that it was, and made me realize it is indeed the best cliffhanger ever.
Space Nazis are evil and must die. All of them. Forever. They serve no purpose other than being an excuse for writers to be fucking lazy. They are so lame. That season 3 finale was the lamest thing I have ever seen. They ruined a perfectly fine story. I was so angry I thought my head would explode.
I would have to respectfully disagree with you (providing you were serious in the first place). What makes a good cliffhanger is that the ending is unexpected, but at the same time has something to do with the story being told. Look at the cliffhangers for "Best of Both Worlds Pt. I" and "Redemption Pt. I." In both instances, the whole story is being built up for the appearance of Locutus and Sela, respectively. In "Zero Hour," the story is basically concluded, and then all of a sudden some alien space Nazi appears out of nowhere (and no segue at all that all of a sudden, now we're in the past), has nothing to do with the story we've just seen, and basically only exists to awkwardly conclude the TCW thing that nobody really cared about anyway. I mean, c'mon! If they really felt that they had to give the TCW silliness some kind of closure, why didn't they just reveal who FutureGuy was? How about making him a Romulan who's trying to prevent Earth from winning the Earth-Romulan war that would have been a major factor in the series if it had been allowed to continue? Why space Nazis?
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Meh... All fans ever want to do is get pissed off at trivial things and complain. Wah. Wah. Wah.
There was nothing wrong with Space Nazis. It was a way to end season 3 with a cliffhanger and get them to tune in to see what happens. That's what a TV show is supposed to do to keep them interested over the break.
There was nothing wrong with Space Nazis. It was a way to end season 3 with a cliffhanger and get them to tune in to see what happens. That's what a TV show is supposed to do to keep them interested over the break.
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