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Space Based Solar Power

The rectennas are more or less inert. No moviing parts to chop things up A bird flying over a rectenna is safer than it flying right through where the pure sunlight--they can actually be cooked there.
You have that exactly backwards: a field of solar collectors is generally safer for birds and aircraft/spacecraft/PEOPLE than it is for a receiving station in the path of a 400MW microwave beam.

In the second place, "bird strikes" aren't exactly a common or even catastrophic problem for photovoltaics, considering they are more likely to be arranged horizontally and the birds have no reason to "strike" them in the first place. Solar-thermal setups may have a slightly different problem, but they're just as robust as rectenas would be.

So again, it's a wash. The advantages provided by orbital solar is MORE than offset by the disadvantage of it costing over a hundred times more.

I wonder if power can be harnessed from space without a lot of surface area.
It can't. Not in the amounts we're talking about.

Might space be a better place for something like this?
Absolutely. But energy STORAGE is a different concept from energy PRODUCTION. Unless trickle-charging is a possibility, but then all you have is a giant orbital battery that occasionally discharges to customers as needed (and takes even longer to recharge). There are a lot of uses for such a thing, but commercial energy isn't one of them.

For the record: the single most expensive power plant on Earth -- actually, the most expensive ANYTHING on Earth -- will be the Hinkley nuclear power plant in the U.K., with a cost of $35 billion and will have an output of about 2GWe. The project YOU'RE proposing would cost close to a trillion dollars and would produce about 400MWe.

It's simply a bad idea.
 
At some point--we will have beamed power usage. The Hinkley plant is a powerhouse--but at the very least a demonstrator--things like NIF, ITER. They may look like wastes to you--but I see them as force drivers.

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3266/1

Solar tech
https://techxplore.com/news/2022-06-focus-chemistry-electronics-future-solar.html
https://techxplore.com/news/2022-06-mathematical-potential-solutions-next-generation-battery.html
https://www.cnet.com/culture/intern...-solar-energy-pioneer-sun-queen-maria-telkes/

Power beaming
https://phys.org/news/2022-08-infrared-wirelessly-transmit-power-meters.html
Imagine walking into an airport or grocery store and your smartphone automatically starts charging. This could be a reality one day, thanks to a new wireless laser charging system that overcomes some of the challenges that have hindered previous attempts to develop safe and convenient on-the-go charging systems.

Solar tech
https://techxplore.com/news/2022-08-scientists-lead-free-solar-material-built-in.html
scientists at DOE's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab), in collaboration with UC Berkeley, have demonstrated a unique workaround that offers a simpler approach to solar cell manufacturing: A crystalline solar material with a built-in electric field—a property enabled by what scientists call "ferroelectricity." The material was reported earlier this year in the journal Science Advances.

In orbit assembly
https://phys.org/news/2022-10-options-automated-in-orbit-large.html

Ground based solar power HURTS:
https://phys.org/news/2022-10-india-enormous-solar-meant-poor.html
https://www.sciencealert.com/this-solar-plant-accidentally-incinerates-up-to-6-000-birds-a-year
https://outride.rs/en/magazine/octo...the-giant-turbine-and-electricity-from-space/

Ground-based "Alternative" energy HURTS:
https://phys.org/news/2022-12-energy-minerals-overlap-indigenous-reveals.html
https://phys.org/news/2022-11-offshore-farms-marine-ecosystems.html
https://phys.org/news/2022-11-offshore-farms-seabirds-scientists-potential.html
https://techxplore.com/news/2022-11-power-people-renewable-energy-solutions.html
https://phys.org/news/2022-11-green-energy-facilities-substantial-carbon.html
https://phys.org/news/2022-11-climate-changing-aerosols-scientists.html (no SO2!)
 
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LOTS of things can be force drivers.

Orbital solar can be a force driver.

Looking for alien life can be a force driver.

Shooting porn films on space stations can be a force driver.

Mining platinum from lunar regolith can be a force driver.

Stopping rogue asteroids from killing us can be a force driver.

Just because you could, hypothetically, convince a bunch of politicians into supporting some idea or another doesn't make it a good idea.
 
Shooting porn films on space stations can be a force driver.

This may actually be a reality before too long. Bigelow does have the goal of setting up their space habitats so private parties can rent them. Of course porn would be first, and someone could shoot a Deuce Bigalow sequel, but it would also offer Hollywood other interesting film shooting opportunities.
 
^ I will not be happy until somebody thinks to shoot an EVA scene for a Star Trek movie entirely "on location" in Low Earth Orbit.
 
A recent article on space based solar power
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3656/1

From the comments section

While SSPS is often derided as a technology that can't possibly succeed because its efficiency is always lower than its terrestrial capacity, and because the capital costs are literally out of this world, it does have one big thing going for it: It's baseload capacity. It doesn't need (much) backing storage, because it has capacity factors that are about the same as a nuke.

On reusables versus expendables when to comes to lots of SPSS launches

Note also that a fully reusable launcher probably has about half the payload capacity of a similar non-reusable launcher of the same mass and thus reusable launchers inherently have twice as great direct negative environmental impacts on the Earth's Ozone Layer and stratosphere as would non-reusable launchers when launching the same mass into LEO.

In the news
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/15/chi...ay-in-space-that-nasa-abandoned-long-ago.html
 
one advantage with a sbsp is that, even if you did not want to use the power for beaming down to earth you could, for instance have a large particle accelerator powered by it, free of all the land constraints on earth and use that to, for instance create positrons for antimatter engines or positron catalyzed fusion drives.
 
And end of life--use as a solar electric tug. I seem to remember trusselator designed box kite looking solar electric tugs--like the station seen from EVENT HORIZON.
 
one advantage with a sbsp is that, even if you did not want to use the power for beaming down to earth you could, for instance have a large particle accelerator powered by it, free of all the land constraints on earth and use that to, for instance create positrons for antimatter engines or positron catalyzed fusion drives.
Or else make deuterium or tritium or helium-3 by spallation -- shoot electrons or other nuclei into nuclei. One won't need a big particle accelerator for that, because a few MeV should be enough to do spallation. Tritium has a storage problem. It has a half-life of 12.3 years, but it decays into helium-3, so one gets a good fusion fuel either way.

For making positrons, one also only needs a few MeV of energy, since an electron and positron together are about 1 MeV in mass. But for making antiprotons, one needs to go up to a few GeV in energy. FNAL used a 120-GeV beam of protons (How do you make protons and antiprotons?) and got about 10^(-6) - 10^(-5) antiprotons per proton (Fermilab's Antimatter Production Rate).

For spallation and positron production, one can use a (relatively) small linear accelerator (linac), For antiproton production, Fermilab uses a larger circular accelerator (Fermilab's Accelerator Complex). One will likely need a *lot* of accelerators to get a good production rate.

The low production efficiencies mean that most of the supplied energy will be radiated off into outer space. So one will need a LOT of radiator area. But one can reclaim and reuse some of this energy by using it to run steam engines in the fashion of fossil-fuel and nuclear and solar-thermal electricity-generating systems.
 
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Wonder if China is looking for somewhere base a orbital laser.
 
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I think China is wrong to copy the SpaceX approach, as they are doing now:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/70hdwy/china_is_copying_spacex/

For Space-Based Solar Power, I think the best vehicle of choice might have been OTRAG.

I can see a stretched OTRAG launched stage-and-a-half to orbit style, with empty hexagonal tubes opening up, lotus flower style. These hollow tubes can then have working fluids or wires in them--and an OTRAG launch stack can open up enough of its mass as surface area--with other launchers fitting it out.

I can see a giant version of the Dextre robot made up of the remains of an OTRAG LV stack, a modern day hundred hander: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecatoncheires

To me re-usability isn't about getting the launcher back--but the old Convair Atlas station approach of getting as much floor space in orbit fast.

Ring stations should be first--where we can have large numbers of people within walking distance of a zero-g hub to try out new ideas--with the comfort of telepresence just a few steps back--no "trial by ordeal" ISS jaunts which are more zero-g decathlons.

In the future--I think rockets should be designed as part of the payloads they carry. Yes, they might be expensive one-offs--but other, more conventional launches can fit them out--and the large structures perhaps used as master molds for archinauts to expand upon--having a stable mass on which to build--and copy.

https://jalopnik.com/spacex-was-not-the-first-private-rocket-company-5913964
https://www.facebook.com/flyrocketf...ned-the-otrag-rocket-in-spac/167844403825471/
https://www.kinostar.com/filmverleih/en/fly-rocket-fly/
https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/133345-vintage-rockets/

The concept of Rocket AS Payload needs to be looked at.

China would be perfect for that.
 
The concept of Rocket AS Payload needs to be looked at.

China would be perfect for that.
Reminds me of the idea for the Aquarius launchers.. was it 20 years ago? I'm feeling old. Cheap rapid-production throwaway boosters for sending bulk goods into orbit. Some of them wouldn't make it, but that was ok because the vehicles were so cheap the losses could be factored in. I suppose this would be the exact opposite of that.

Do you think the cost to design and test a custom launcher has come down enough to make "Rocket as payload" feasable?
 
Someone at Gizmodo did a hit piece on space solar power not long ago...so there is that. But in terms of good news, the NAIC Phase I selections are out, and Carnegie Mellon U thinks that you can fit “a high-expansion-ratio auxetic structure” inside a single Falcon Heavy fairing and deployed it to a final length of one kilometer.

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=53252.0

It looks a little limber for the space station concept they have—but it looks great for power sat construction.

In related news, Edison’s hydrogen producing Nickel-Iron storage batteries look to make a comeback at Delft University’s Fokko Mulder. They call it the battolyser and it is perfect for asteroids.

Canals of California
https://techxplore.com/news/2021-03-analysis-potential-solar-canals-california.html

Breakthrough
https://techxplore.com/news/2021-03-inexpensive-solar-cell-dye-simple.html

The problem with ground-based alt-energy
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/23/climate/renewable-energy-us-electrical-grid.html
 
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makes one imagine the possibilities.
solar stirling hasn't done very well on Earth due to Chinese subsidies on PV killing development and bankrupting the companies that tried. But its not impossible to imagine a 1 km mylar reflector driving multiple pods of solar stirlings in orbit. Considering sunlight is 144% more efficient in space, and the downtime per day would only be like 70 to 90 minutes, this would be a lot of power generated and sent back to the grid, using mostly off the shelf generators that could be maintained and replaced as needed.

You'd need staff up there to maintain it, but that's the dream, anyway, right?
 
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