Sorry if this is a silly question but what does USS and NCC mean?

[XCV330]

course corrections would be handled by the ships navigational computers. there simply is no way that an audible would make the correct time for critical spaceflight manouvers.

the closest it gets is Apollo 13 where there was no choice but to go manual with the aid of the AGC computer, eyeballs, and an Omega chronograph designed for road rallying. but there is indeed a "mark"

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well, youtube wont let me link it. whatever, everyone on earth has seen the movie by now.

the actual flight journal with what was said, somewhat less dramatic, is here:

Apollo 13 Flight Journal - Day 5, part 3: The Manual Course Correction Burn

www.nasa.gov

 

[evilchumlee]

I literally have a 785+ Page Word Document on what happens in my Universe in terms of Tech / Recent History progression / Organizational changes / etc.

Every detail of the world of Trek that has progressed to the 26th century is accounted for.

That's not counting additional documents & images I have that covers nearly every subject.

I feel you. I have something similar, although it's essentially an alternate Trek where I go into super detail about everything, from the 20th century onwards, although I putter out at about the 2380's or so.

I have a heavy focus on times we don't see alot of. I've gone hard on the 20th/21st centuries (ignoring SNW on that, somewhat.), detailing the Eugenics Wars and what not, as well as WW3, and I go into the immediate aftermath of First Contact.

I then go really hard on the Romulan War through to the early Federation to about the 2240's.

I don't into quite as much detail but there are some topics around the Lost Era.

In my version here, "USS" i'm fine with just being "United Starship", short hand for "United Federation of Planets Starship", or "Ufp StarShip".

"NCC" is more of a situation of that it HAD a meaning, but later on is more of a tradition. I put the Daedalus-Class appearing earlier, it's quite literally the "ship that won the Romulan War". It's actually not that impressive... rather than being the new advanced ship, it's a step BACK from the NX. Earth, and eventually the Coalition as a whole, needed a fleet of ships they could quickly get into battle. Something like an NX was far too complex and expensive to mass produce quickly.

The solution was to make a ship that could be quickly and easily mass produced. Rather than the Phase Cannons and Photonic Torpedoes, Earth slapped old style lasers and nuclear warheads on them, much easier to build and get out into the field. The ships were basically intended to be mobile missile platforms... a tube stuffed with nuclear missiles to warp in, fire off payload, reload, fire more.

These vessels were originally dubbed the "NCC-Class", or "Nuclear Combat Cruiser-Class". After the war, they remained in Federation service where they were rechristened as "Daedalus-Class", but the "NCC" registry numbers stuck and became standard for Federation starships, as did "NX" for experimental registries.

The "NCC" being the default Federation registry was partly an homage, partly just circumstance. The earliest iteration of Federation Starfleet was absolute dominated by the Daedalus-Class, which just imported the registry numbers over. As new ships were being built, it just made sense to just use "NCC" for them to fit the majority of the fleet.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I feel you. I have something similar, although it's essentially an alternate Trek where I go into super detail about everything, from the 20th century onwards, although I putter out at about the 2380's or so.

My Head Canon & Trek Universe starts at 2501/01-01, Beginning of the 26th Century
So I'm targeting a different part of the timeline.

I have a heavy focus on times we don't see alot of. I've gone hard on the 20th/21st centuries (ignoring SNW on that, somewhat.), detailing the Eugenics Wars and what not, as well as WW3, and I go into the immediate aftermath of First Contact.

I then go really hard on the Romulan War through to the early Federation to about the 2240's.

I don't into quite as much detail but there are some topics around the Lost Era.

I focus on my time frame and include all the Canon TV show Timelines & Actions.

Yes including DISCO, even into the 32nd Century & the Spore Drive / Lost USS Discovery hidden in a Nebula.
I factor all that in thanks to Time-Travel Shenanigans.
Yes, even the Spore Drive.
I make it work reasonably well w/ proper limitations.

In my version here, "USS" i'm fine with just being "United Starship", short hand for "United Federation of Planets Starship", or "Ufp StarShip".

"NCC" is more of a situation of that it HAD a meaning, but later on is more of a tradition. I put the Daedalus-Class appearing earlier, it's quite literally the "ship that won the Romulan War". It's actually not that impressive... rather than being the new advanced ship, it's a step BACK from the NX. Earth, and eventually the Coalition as a whole, needed a fleet of ships they could quickly get into battle. Something like an NX was far too complex and expensive to mass produce quickly.

The solution was to make a ship that could be quickly and easily mass produced. Rather than the Phase Cannons and Photonic Torpedoes, Earth slapped old style lasers and nuclear warheads on them, much easier to build and get out into the field. The ships were basically intended to be mobile missile platforms... a tube stuffed with nuclear missiles to warp in, fire off payload, reload, fire more.

These vessels were originally dubbed the "NCC-Class", or "Nuclear Combat Cruiser-Class". After the war, they remained in Federation service where they were rechristened as "Daedalus-Class", but the "NCC" registry numbers stuck and became standard for Federation starships, as did "NX" for experimental registries.

The "NCC" being the default Federation registry was partly an homage, partly just circumstance. The earliest iteration of Federation Starfleet was absolute dominated by the Daedalus-Class, which just imported the registry numbers over. As new ships were being built, it just made sense to just use "NCC" for them to fit the majority of the fleet.

I have multiple Pre-Fixes for the various services that exist within my Universe.
NCC is just a UFP Governmental Services Ship Registry.
Treat it like a license plate on a car, there are ALOT of them.

Civilians use a different Multi-Letter Acronym to register their vessel under.

 

[evilchumlee]

I have multiple Pre-Fixes for the various services that exist within my Universe.
NCC is just a UFP Governmental Services Ship Registry.
Treat it like a license plate on a car, there are ALOT of them.

Civilians use a different Multi-Letter Acronym to register their vessel under.

That's really not even entirely headcanon. There definitely ARE other registries. The Hansens Raven had an "NAR" registry.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The U.S.S. Kobayashi Maru in Star Trek '09, Star Trek Online and Prodigy had the number ECS-1055. ECS goes back to Enterprise, where the cargo ships were Earth Cargo Service E.C.S.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

That's really not even entirely headcanon. There definitely ARE other registries. The Hansens Raven had an "NAR" registry.

I know, the various Ship Registries have different individual meanings.

In my Head Canon, NAR has different meanings:
National
Astronomical
Resource

The NAR Prefix was maintained by the "UFP's (United Federation of Planet's) National Astronomical Association Registrar)".
They are part of the Government Backed Civilian Led "National Astronomical Association" who does Civilian Scientific Research into all things related to Space.
So if you want to get grants, resources like StarShips, travel the stars & do research w/o dealing with StarFleet, you can.
If you're well respected & well known, you can be like the Hansens and request a StarShip for their own use to do research.

Sadly, the main reason that the Hansens even knew about "The Borg" before it became more widely known by the UFP/StarFleet was because they did research into the speech that Zefram Cochrane made at Princeton University about "that a group of cybernetic creatures from the future had traveled back in time to "enslave the Human race" and they tried to prevent the flight but were stopped by a group of Humans, also from the future".
Most people didn't take it seriously, but the Hansens did.

Unknowingly it was "ST: First Contact" that sparked the Time Loop / Chain of events which would cause them to bring their daughter Annika with them to research "The Borg".

And we all know the rest of the story and what happened to each person.

 

[evilchumlee]

I know, the various Ship Registries have different individual meanings.

In my Head Canon, NAR has different meanings:
National
Astronomical
Resource

For whatever reason, I haven't gotten around to doing the prefixes for most things. I only really do USS, NCC, NX, and ECS (which I just assume in my headcanon is still just Earth Cargo Service). I use the Memory Alpha explanation for "VK" as well, only seen on a readout in TNG "Up the Long Ladder", as a Russian translation of "Military Ship".

I do go ahead and riff on Earth not being quite as united as it may seem in the 22nd century, and while United Earth and Starfleet are doing most things, there are still nations doing things on their own.

I actually just looked back at the Ficus Sector ships thing and remembered on them of their types is listed as "NAR18834". I tend to lean towards the registries not necessarily being acronyms or something. In the case of "NAR", i'm somewhat more tempted to say the registry is name after an old type of ship. As for WHAT they are, I assume "NAR-XXXX" ships are basically civilian corps. They're Starfleet vessels, but they're 100% non-military and not under direct command from Starfleet. In my headcanon history, as Starfleet was reorganized under the Federation, these NAR-Type ships were being fairly heavily utilized by United Earth's civilian operations and Federation Starfleet utilized it. (The USS Raven is an outlier here having an NAR registry AND a USS prefix... to which I would assume that the Raven was previously in direct Starfleet service and turned over to the civilian corps, when it got a new registry but kept the name, although in my tweaked timeline, I drop the USS entirely.)

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I do go ahead and riff on Earth not being quite as united as it may seem in the 22nd century, and while United Earth and Starfleet are doing most things, there are still nations doing things on their own.

The way I see "United Earth", I see it as one more tier of Government above the National-State Tier.

It's the Unified Governmental level that deals with the Outter Space.

Our Nation-State system isn't gone, it's still there.

There are just one more level of Governmenance above our existing Nation-State system.

The UN effectively gets transformed into the "United Earth".

 

[Mytran]

Interesting idea from this video, drawing upon Latin as well (as is the old trek tradition)

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[CorporalCaptain]

That's really not even entirely headcanon. There definitely ARE other registries. The Hansens Raven had an "NAR" registry.

Yep.

From Memory Alpha:

According to the Star Trek: Voyager Technical Manual (p. 29), NAR prefixes were among those used on vessels that were non-Starfleet but still under Federation jurisdiction.​

NA is also canonical [link].

 

[fireproof78]

NA is also canonical

Not applicable

 

[Forbin]

Ya know what, I worked for a military avionics company for 38 years, and no one could ever explain the terminology to me. Our jamming systems carried the code "AN/ALQ-[number]." Far as I can tell, it meant nothing in terms of initialism. It was just a code.

 

[XCV330]

It's like ham radio licenses in the US: you used to be able to know when, and to some degree where a callsign was issued, especially the 2x3 callsigns. You might even have some accurate guess of the license class. Over time that has mostly gone away, with recycled callsigns, vanity calls or people hanging on to their initial 2x3 instead of upgrading when they had the chance. so whatever it once meant, it's mostly meaningless now, except it still has the national identifier.

 

[evilchumlee]

The way I see "United Earth", I see it as one more tier of Government above the National-State Tier.

It's the Unified Governmental level that deals with the Outter Space.

Our Nation-State system isn't gone, it's still there.

There are just one more level of Governmenance above our existing Nation-State system.

The UN effectively gets transformed into the "United Earth".

I go with something... similar, but not quite.

I do peg United Earth as a federal government, but closer in organization to the European Union than the United States, at least initially.

The nation states exist, and for some time they are still relevant, but their relevance wanes. In my retooled universe, UE becomes more centralized through the 22nd century, eventually integrating the old national militaries into a single united one, but that doesn't happen until just shortly before the Romulan War. There is a unified United Earth military prior to that, but it's not compulsory for members to contribute. It does still end up quite powerful though, because although nations like the US really don't want anything to do with it, they still heavily contribute, fearing they will lose influence.

There's alot of political drama in space too... nations operate the earlier space programs alongside UESPA and later Starfleet. By the time 2151 rolls around, there is some serious contention between Starfleet and the US Space Command. Starfleet has the better warp technology, but the US has a greater military presence. Both are actively vying to hold control over Earth's space forces, with Starfleet eventually winning out, in large part due to Vulcan recommendation. Relevant here a bit... I move XCV-330 Enterprise forward in the timeline, it's in active service alongside NX-01. There's quite a bit of interaction between USS Enterprise XCV-330 and Enterprise NX-01. The US does end up with a legacy... when the US Space Command is folded into Starfleet, along with it came its personnel. This was around 2153. Less than a decade later, the Federation forms and Starfleet transitions to Federation service... and alot of the former US Space Command brass turned Earth Starfleet turned Federation Starfleet made a small mark on the service... when deciding on a prefix for Federation ships, as several options were put forward, the relatively American-heavy Starfleet Command went with "UFP/United Star Ship", USS. They knew exactly what they were doing.

According to the Star Trek: Voyager Technical Manual (p. 29), NAR prefixes were among those used on vessels that were non-Starfleet but still under Federation jurisdiction.

I don't love that explanation. There are plenty of ships that are non-Starfleet under Federation jurisdiction with other prefixes.

NAR seems more like a strictly civilian starship under Starfleet jurisdiction. Whereas most Starfleet ships are military when they need to be, NAR's would be explicitly non-military vessels.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I go with something... similar, but not quite.

I do peg United Earth as a federal government, but closer in organization to the European Union than the United States, at least initially.

The nation states exist, and for some time they are still relevant, but their relevance wanes. In my retooled universe, UE becomes more centralized through the 22nd century, eventually integrating the old national militaries into a single united one, but that doesn't happen until just shortly before the Romulan War. There is a unified United Earth military prior to that, but it's not compulsory for members to contribute. It does still end up quite powerful though, because although nations like the US really don't want anything to do with it, they still heavily contribute, fearing they will lose influence.

There's alot of political drama in space too... nations operate the earlier space programs alongside UESPA and later Starfleet. By the time 2151 rolls around, there is some serious contention between Starfleet and the US Space Command. Starfleet has the better warp technology, but the US has a greater military presence. Both are actively vying to hold control over Earth's space forces, with Starfleet eventually winning out, in large part due to Vulcan recommendation. Relevant here a bit... I move XCV-330 Enterprise forward in the timeline, it's in active service alongside NX-01. There's quite a bit of interaction between USS Enterprise XCV-330 and Enterprise NX-01. The US does end up with a legacy... when the US Space Command is folded into Starfleet, along with it came its personnel. This was around 2153. Less than a decade later, the Federation forms and Starfleet transitions to Federation service... and alot of the former US Space Command brass turned Earth Starfleet turned Federation Starfleet made a small mark on the service... when deciding on a prefix for Federation ships, as several options were put forward, the relatively American-heavy Starfleet Command went with "UFP/United Star Ship", USS. They knew exactly what they were doing.

There's a good reason why English is the "Default Language" Aliens learn when trying to communicate with us.

 

[evilchumlee]

There's a good reason why English is the "Default Language" Aliens learn when trying to communicate with us.

I go even further, making things a bit darker but I think it fits with observations of Trek. English is already widely spoken and basically the language of commerce for the world, couple that with Eugenics Wars / WW3... and given that we know two things about the aftermath... by the 2060's, Earth is both sending out warp ships on missions of colonization and exploration AND suffering through the "Post-Atomic Horror". I rationalize these two as... yes, that's happening in different parts of the world. The US, Europe, and a few other places were more well off and probably "won" WW3, large parts of Asia and the like were absolutely decimated by nuclear war.

If the Anglosphere nations were some of the most intact after the war, it makes sense they took the reigns on rebuilding Earth, and... well... yeah that probably means English became something the defacto language, even more than it is today. From the Vulcans point of view as well, English was probably something of a Rosetta Stone language for Earth... they could learn English, and then use that English to help communicate with the rest of the planet.

Fast forward, Earth takes the reigns on the creation of the Federation and quickly comes to seemingly dominate it culturally, English becomes "Federation Standard".