Sony/Marvel working on new Spider-man deal. Andrew Garfield out?

[Quinton O'Connor]

Clearly you lack experience with Guy Gardener posts. None of them should be taken remotely seriously.

(it's the only way to be sure)

Been gone for over a year, but somehow it feels like coming home again reading Gardener-inspired commentary like this. He's always going to be the "that guy, that Gardener" of TrekBBS.

Quark then tells Morn, "the more things change, the more they stay the same."

On topic, I'm still a little stunned by how ASM2 is treated like 2014's biggest box office pariah. Didn't it make a boatload of cash? Or was said boatload not boatload enough for Sony? I'm in the dark on this saga, so please be kind. Haven't really followed Spider-Man developments since I was 16 or so and I've missed the most recent three movies as a result.

I caught the tail end of Sony apparently being "deeply disappointed" with this movie, though, and I'm just a touch confounded as to how $700 million+ is such a downer. Or does it have to do with the anemic domestic relative to foreign? I understand domestic tends to mean more profit margin, but Sony being Japanese, I'm murky on the definition "domestic" here as well.

Or... is it a matter of actual critical reception?

 

[MacLeod]

^Well then I guess a welcome back is in order.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

^Well then I guess a welcome back is in order.

Well then I humbly thank you. :P

 

[Turtletrekker]

Clearly you lack experience with Guy Gardener posts. None of them should be taken remotely seriously.

(it's the only way to be sure)

Been gone for over a year, but somehow it feels like coming home again reading Gardener-inspired commentary like this. He's always going to be the "that guy, that Gardener" of TrekBBS.

Quark then tells Morn, "the more things change, the more they stay the same."

On topic, I'm still a little stunned by how ASM2 is treated like 2014's biggest box office pariah. Didn't it make a boatload of cash? Or was said boatload not boatload enough for Sony? I'm in the dark on this saga, so please be kind. Haven't really followed Spider-Man developments since I was 16 or so and I've missed the most recent three movies as a result.

I caught the tail end of Sony apparently being "deeply disappointed" with this movie, though, and I'm just a touch confounded as to how $700 million+ is such a downer. Or does it have to do with the anemic domestic relative to foreign? I understand domestic tends to mean more profit margin, but Sony being Japanese, I'm murky on the definition "domestic" here as well.

Or... is it a matter of actual critical reception?

And another "welcome back".

ASM2 grossed over 700 million world-wide, but Sony was hoping for/expecting a billion dollar blockbuster ala Avengers, Dark Knight Rises and Iron Man 3.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Ahh, I see. Thanks for the clarification (as well as the welcome back, of course).

Setting the bar above a billion sounds crazy, but it's so lofty, so incredulous, that it somehow doesn't particularly surprise me that Hollywood is bursting with studios wanting a piece of it very, very badly and beginning to view "$700 million" in a negative light.

Yikes, though.

 

[Gaith]

I caught the tail end of Sony apparently being "deeply disappointed" with this movie, though, and I'm just a touch confounded as to how $700 million+ is such a downer.

That's how much money was collected at theaters' box offices worldwide. The production budget and marketing expenditure took at least $400m out of that, and said theaters probably took $150m more - so the profit is maybe in the $150m area, but maybe less. Without poring through Sony's non-public bank accounts, it's hard to say.

No, it was definitely not a box office bomb, nor did it lose money. It was fairly badly received, especially by the Internets, so many Marvel fans who feel they should get everything they ever want are screaming that it's this year's Lone Ranger-level catastrophe and that Sony has a moral obligation to give the rights back to Marvel/Disney because they say so, neither of which are remotely true.

It's also true, however, that it grossed less than its predecessors domestically, that there are valid concerns that the next installment might earn significantly less, and that Sony itself is unsure what its next move is.

That's pretty much where things stand now... the rest is mostly whinging.

 

[MacLeod]

But you can take a look at another franchise, Transfomers the US domestic figures are

Transformers: US$319m
Revenge of the Fallen: US$402m
Dark of the Moon: US$352m
Age of Extinction: US$245m

So the 2nd instalment showed an increase but the last two showed a decrease

As for the international take

Transfomers: US$390m
Revenge of the Fallen: US$434m
Dark of the Moon: US$771m
Age of Extinction: US$841m

Which is showing continued growth.

When it comes the ASM series there was only a slight increase of some US$10m at the international boxoffice between the 1st and 2nd films.

So in the case of the ASM Sony had a double whammy a decrease at the domestic market and a neglible increase at the international box-office. So something about the 2nd films failed to resonate with both sets of audiances. Whilst both films like most films had thinks I didn't like, For me on balance I think the first film was the better of the two

 

[ALF]

Personally I loved the reboot because I never quite shook off the feeling that Maguire was miscast. I found Garfield's take refreshing. But yeah... how on Earth is that ROI a bad thing? And looking so forward to Paul The Rhyno Giamatti!!