Sony/Marvel working on new Spider-man deal. Andrew Garfield out?
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He probably unleashed his Eduardo Saverin rage
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<<Amazing Spider-Man 2 made 92 million in its opening weekend and since then has made 202 million lifetime gross... We know it's shit, but most people go to the movies because they are sad, or they have four kids and a spouse that hates them, or they work 80 hours some place shit, and they just need something else colourful to turn their brain off with now that they are in AA.
This is how Transformers has made billions.
Escapism is real.
Real life is so horrible for most people that even bad movies are a good idea. >>
This is how Transformers has made billions.
Escapism is real.
Real life is so horrible for most people that even bad movies are a good idea. >>
The scripts handled Peter/Spidey himself marvelously. He was written more perfectly in ASM2 then he has ever been in any prior live-action incarnation. It's just the plots and the villains they need to work on. If anything, one of the main problems with ASM2 was that it tried too hard to launch a franchise in the MCU vein and thus became unfocused. And that was Sony's call. The problem is not with the actor or the continuity, it's with the studio executives' interference. But just try convincing the executives themselves of that.
I don't think that's necessary -- just do better stories in the same continuity. A lot of what they did in ASM2 was perfect. They shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Challenging, but not impossible. A lot of the Spidey stunts in ASM2 were done practically rather than with CGI -- and CGI effects on TV are getting better by the year. A TV Spidey series would have to rely less on high-swinging action and more on personal melodrama, but Spider-Man has always been as much about the latter as the former. And there could still be a lot of action if it focused more on acrobatics and martial arts than on Goblin gliders and Octopus tentacles and Sandman transformations. Maybe they could follow the model of The Flash and have one really big, impressive, comic-booky VFX scene per episode while keeping the rest of the action more focused on live stunt work. Alternatively, going for shorter seasons like the Netflix MCU series would let them allocate more money and time per episode, allowing for more elaborate action and effects.
So I believe it could be done. It wouldn't be on quite the same level of spectacle as the movies, but TV audiences know that going in. And the TV format would be a better fit for the ongoing soap opera of Peter Parker's life than the movie format. So, yeah, the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of bringing Spidey back to live-action TV. (I say "back" because we had three live-action Spideys in the '70s -- from the US prime-time series, the Japanese tokusatsu series, and The Electric Company.)
Of course - and now I'm gonna argue against my own point here - I'd imagine the whole Harry Osborn melodrama stuff was a lot of people's least aspect of ASM2, particularly since it felt like yet another rehashed element of the Raimi movies. My own favorite Spidey movie is ASM1, in significant part because it doesn't have any Osborn family squabbling at all. So, while TV might indeed be Spider-Man's ideal medium, trying to start a show with lots of Osborn drama now would probably be a pretty unpopular move.
Maybe ASM3 should just start with a "Harry Osborn Killed in Glider Test Accident" Daily Bugle headline, and move right on to some Carnage stuff without further ado.
The ending of Spider-man 2 was practically a "Smallville" ending. Complete with the heroine meeting the hero in his loft.
What i'm saying is that is how a TV show about Spider-man would be like
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Not surprising since Alfred Miller and Miles Gough helped write.
What i'm saying is that is how a TV show about Spider-man would be like
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Not surprising since Alfred Miller and Miles Gough helped write.
The Osborns are just one part of the epic soap opera that is Spider-Man's life. They've dominated the movies, but there have been long, long stretches of the comics' history where Norman, Harry, or both have been deceased and not relevant to the story. Granted, a TV series would probably make Norman the overall big bad and Harry the best friend, because audiences would expect what they know from the movies; but there are plenty of other story threads that a series could develop.
EDIT: A thought just occurred to me... it might be comparatively easy for a TV series to handle the CGI of Spidey's high-swinging action, since the movies have already done the work for them. The programming for a digital Spider-Man and a digital New York City already exists in somebody's computers, so it's just a question of taking those models and animating them, or recycling animations that have already been completed. They'd probably have to be rendered with a bit less resolution to save money, but Spidey in costume would be a lot easier to animate on a TV budget than, say, a realistic head of hair or a convincingly expressive human face.
I feel bad for Garfield. He was well cast as Peter Parker. Unfortunately for him however Sony decided that they wanted to turn the franchise into some sort of cross between Harry Potter and the hunger games ( by which I mean: teen hero, chosen one, etc.). If they had simply continued the Raimi universe but brought in Garfield to carry on the film series, not unlike how bond didn't reboot when Connery left , he'd have been fine and the series would probably still be going strong.
That being said however there is the recognition that he's going to be if he isn't already in his early 30s and it's going to be harder and harder for him to keep playing a teenaged or even college aged hero. So I think we all know recasting was coming sooner or later.
In any event no matter what Sony and Marvel end up doing I really hope they don't do another actual reboot or retell the origin story. We all know how he became Spiderman. Just make some good movies and stop trying to do reboots, retellings of the origin or another damn trilogy.
That being said however there is the recognition that he's going to be if he isn't already in his early 30s and it's going to be harder and harder for him to keep playing a teenaged or even college aged hero. So I think we all know recasting was coming sooner or later.
In any event no matter what Sony and Marvel end up doing I really hope they don't do another actual reboot or retell the origin story. We all know how he became Spiderman. Just make some good movies and stop trying to do reboots, retellings of the origin or another damn trilogy.
The last Spidey movie definitely had some story and villain problems, but for me the bigger issue was just how incredibly tired and played out the entire movie felt from the start.
Reboot or no, it's still the 5th Spidey movie in the last 12 years, with the same basic conflicts, cheesy villains, and romantic storylines as before. In fact even watching Spidey swing through the city doesn't give me nearly the thrill that it used to (just like watching Tony do his thing in the Iron Man suits has become much less thrilling by his fourth or fifth appearance).
By this point, I think the only thing that COULD get me excited about the character again is seeing him in a crossover with the Avengers.
Reboot or no, it's still the 5th Spidey movie in the last 12 years, with the same basic conflicts, cheesy villains, and romantic storylines as before. In fact even watching Spidey swing through the city doesn't give me nearly the thrill that it used to (just like watching Tony do his thing in the Iron Man suits has become much less thrilling by his fourth or fifth appearance).
By this point, I think the only thing that COULD get me excited about the character again is seeing him in a crossover with the Avengers.
Yeah they sort of shot themselves in the foot in the first place by casting someone who was 27 years old already
How long did they think it was going to last? Seriously?
At best he would have had 3 movies(contractually obligated) before he got too old to be believable
At best that would have been a 6 year plan. Then they're back at square one
By then Marvel would have to wait till Sony's worn out before striking
Sony- We either reboot the franchise which we have already done or continue on and run into fatigue and unoriginal ideas
Marvel- That's all you can really do. I'll just wait till you're tired then grab Spider-man.
They don't have to reboot however. They could just recast. This idea (a relatively new one) that you have to do a reboot every time you recast the lead in a movie series is pretty ridiculous. If they had that mentality back in the 60s instead of "On her majesty's secret Service," we would've gotten a remake of Dr No.
True... and at least Iron Man can travel. On a related note, I stand by what I said back in 2008:
Yeah, Garfield's a way better Spidey than Toby M. - it would be a huge mistake to dump him because the 2nd movie was bad. His age shouldn't be an issue either. Don't people age in superhero movies ?
There's no reason whatsoever he couldn't turn up in Civil War, boost his own franchise and then return to it reinvigorated.
There could even be other small 'nods' in future movies - a copy of the Bugle in a Captain America movie, mentions of other costumed heroes or SHIELD in a news report in Spidey 3, that sort of thing.
There is no downside to Sony and Marvel agreeing to work together for mutual benefit, artistically or financially.
Other than the fact that currently Marvel seems to have no freaking clue how to write Peter Parker.
I haven't read the comics for decades. I couldn't give a stuff about them.
This is the MCU, it's a whole different ballgame. They'd use Spiderman well.
They might even inspire Sony to do so in their next outing...
Yeah it would be very cool to see the character in a setting like that, or to see him in a much more fantastical kind of story involving time travel or other dimensions or giant monsters or something.
Spidey would be the perfect character to use for something like that, and it would be a great way to differentiate the series from every other superhero franchise out there that is set in a more "grounded" real world.
Marvel Studios is about to launch a multi-Netflix series MCU pocket franchise based in and around NYC, so it'd probably be pretty weird if Spider-Man just turned up out of the blue at some point, saying he'd already been around for a while. And if the MCU were to reboot Spidey, Sony would also have to go back to square one, making the general public even more suspicious of future solo Spidey movies from Sony. And if Sony were to collaborate on crossover Spidey appearances on the regular, that'd entail a lot of potential planning and logistical scheduling and negotiations, over who gets to do what to NYC when, and with what ramifications.
Ergo, when you say there is no possible downside whatsoever for either party, you are objectively wrong, IMO. Not saying there's no potential upsides, just that there are definitely potential downsides also.