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Sony/Marvel working on new Spider-man deal. Andrew Garfield out?

Relayer1 said:
Hartzilla2007 said:
Relayer1 said:
There is no downside to Sony and Marvel agreeing to work together for mutual benefit, artistically or financially.
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Other than the fact that currently Marvel seems to have no freaking clue how to write Peter Parker.
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I haven't read the comics for decades. I couldn't give a stuff about them.

This is the MCU, it's a whole different ballgame. They'd use Spiderman well.
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So becuase the animation division makes a mediocre version of the character, and the comics can't write the character worth a crap these days I'm supposed to have faith in the movie division for reasons.

Especially when the story potentially used to bring him over was one where he did something unbelievably stupid that was cosmically erased in a crappy story, makes no sense in the context since Stark talked him into it and after Iron Man 3 he would have to be an idiot to do so this time, and has NOTHING to do with Captain America: Civil War's plot becuase this version isn't about secret identities.

They might even inspire Sony to do so in their next outing...
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Meh, all they have to do is stop trying to make the next MCU and they're good.
 
Gaith said:
Relayer1 said:
There is no downside to Sony and Marvel agreeing to work together for mutual benefit, artistically or financially.
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Marvel Studios is about to launch a multi-Netflix series MCU pocket franchise based in and around NYC, so it'd probably be pretty weird if Spider-Man just turned up out of the blue at some point, saying he'd already been around for a while. And if the MCU were to reboot Spidey, Sony would also have to go back to square one, making the general public even more suspicious of future solo Spidey movies from Sony. And if Sony were to collaborate on crossover Spidey appearances on the regular, that'd entail a lot of potential planning and logistical scheduling and negotiations, over who gets to do what to NYC when, and with what ramifications.

Ergo, when you say there is no possible downside whatsoever for either party, you are objectively wrong, IMO. Not saying there's no potential upsides, just that there are definitely potential downsides also.
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Firstly, I wasn't looking at rebooting Spiderman, I was on about the Garfield version.

Secondly, with reard to Spidey just showing up, despite having apparrently been around for a while - comments about 'Costumed heroes have been active for the past few years' is all the (vague) accommodation you'd need.

Small continuity crossovers such as the same buildings being seen in the Sony and Marvel NYC's, the same newspapers etc. would take next to no planning, just a little good will. It's unlikely that either studio will want to completely destroy NYC in the near future.

Also, Spidey guesting again (IF it happened) would need no more planning than Fury turning up in Agents of Shield. That sort of thing could be thrashed out (or ruled out) in the Civil War negotiations.

Hartzilla2007 said:
Relayer1 said:
Hartzilla2007 said:
Other than the fact that currently Marvel seems to have no freaking clue how to write Peter Parker.
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I haven't read the comics for decades. I couldn't give a stuff about them.

This is the MCU, it's a whole different ballgame. They'd use Spiderman well.
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So becuase the animation division makes a mediocre version of the character, and the comics can't write the character worth a crap these days I'm supposed to have faith in the movie division for reasons.

Especially when the story potentially used to bring him over was one where he did something unbelievably stupid that was cosmically erased in a crappy story, makes no sense in the context since Stark talked him into it and after Iron Man 3 he would have to be an idiot to do so this time, and has NOTHING to do with Captain America: Civil War's plot becuase this version isn't about secret identities.

They might even inspire Sony to do so in their next outing...
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Meh, all they have to do is stop trying to make the next MCU and they're good.
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The 'reasons' are, they made a fantastic movie out of suspect subject matter with Guardians, they've barely set a foot wrong with the other MCU movies and there's NO reason to expect them to drop the ball anytime soon.

AND -

Marvel animtion writing - utterly irrelevant. Different people, different organisation.

Marvel comics writing - again, utterly irrelevant. Different people, different organisation.

P.S. Spidey wouldn't necessarily have to publicly unmask to be in Civil War.
 
Out of curiosity, how many of those who are saying that Spider-Man is coming off as tired and repetitive are supporting Sinister Six? It seems that's Sony's attempt to shake up the formula and address those concerns.
 
Relayer1 said:
P.S. Spidey wouldn't necessarily have to publicly unmask to be in Civil War.
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So other than a cameo what would be the point of Spider-Man being in the movie.

He probably couldn't get much focuses seeing as its a Captain America movie meaning Cap getting the lion share of the focus especially seeing as its continuing off of The Winter Solider and Ironman is in it and it sounds like Black Panther is pretty much getting Spider-Man's role in it so what exactly would he be able to do in this thing?
 
Hartzilla2007 said:
Relayer1 said:
P.S. Spidey wouldn't necessarily have to publicly unmask to be in Civil War.
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So other than a cameo what would be the point of Spider-Man being in the movie.

He probably couldn't get much focuses seeing as its a Captain America movie meaning Cap getting the lion share of the focus especially seeing as its continuing off of The Winter Solider and Ironman is in it and it sounds like Black Panther is pretty much getting Spider-Man's role in it so what exactly would he be able to do in this thing?
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Firstly ? Make fans happy.

Secondly ? Give both the Sony and Marvel franchises a boost. Particularly Sony.

I'm sure they would make good use of him - there would be no point otherwise.
 
I enjoyed the second Amazing Spider-Man movie visually it looked awesome and given the movie's budget that's not a surprise. If they're actually going to reboot the Spider-Man movies again it feels like a bit of mistake right now. I like how Garfield's Spider-Man enjoys using his powers much like the new Flash, you can feel how amazing it can be to have those powers.
 
Count me as one of those who would love to see a tv show.

Apparently there are a few avenues Sony are considering (as well as a comedy animated movie from the producers/directors of The Lego Movie and the Jump Street movies).

- A clean reboot: I don't mind this (although I do like Garfield in the role) because in the leaks they've said they won't go over the origin in too much detail again. I actually quite liked the way ASM1 introduced it and had the mystery over Uncle Ben's killer but ASM2 just dropped the ball completely. Also, one of the higher-ups likes the Ultimate stuff and a lot of the modern Spider-Man stuff.

- Sinister Six: Actually intrigued by this because it shakes up the comic book movie formula. I can't remember if it was from actual reports or speculation by people at IGN but they mentioned it could be the Six fighting Spider-Man in the black suit and then teaming up against a larger threat (Venom/Carnage). I was actually kinda hoping that Spider-Man wouldn't be in it at all but it could work.

- Bringing Raimi back: As much as I love his Spider-Man films I don't think this would work. Part of the problem with 3 is that the studio wanted him to include things that he didn't want to do, and since everyone wants to make these interconnected movies that would most likely happen again.
 
Christopher said:
Garfield is great as Spidey, much better than Tobey Maguire. And whatever ASM2's faults in its plotline and its villains, it was the most note-perfect screen portrayal of Spider-Man as a character that we've ever had in live action. They should keep this continuity going, just improve the scripts.
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I couldn't agree more. The writing is very so-so, but especially the Spidey action felt like the comics springing to life.
Also Garfield and Stone had amazing chemistry, for obvious reasons.
 
I would love to see a animated Spidey movie where they put an emphasis on crazy action over teenage soap opera, but it would never do as much box office as a live-action movie.
 
Turtletrekker said:
Apparently,if the deal does go down, Kevin Feige wants Avi Arad gone.
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While I tend to think the negatives outweigh the positives when it comes to Avi Arad, I also don't think it's to the point where I would be actively hoping for him to lose his employment.
 
I don't think he'd lose his job (he's still working with Sony and actively trying to get a Mario Brothers movie going with Nintendo), he just wouldn't be part of the Spider-Man stuff with Marvel.
 
I really can't understand the people who spend 20 dollars on a ticket + 30 dollars on food/transport/parking per multiple viewings of the same movie, even though these movies can only make the money they do if hundreds of thousands of people do see a "blockbuster" at least three times in the first week.

They're a special kinda mental, or money and time has no value to them.

But mark this.

These psychopaths are going to endure the entire theatre experience again, another 4 or 5 times, putting up with the other so-so two hours of garbage tedium just to see Spider-Man for 2 minutes, when the whole thing has been on Youtube an hour after the flick finished it's run through in China?

Bananapants.

A normal person: "Oh Spider-Man, the $50 dollars I spent to be here is now worthwhile that I no longer feel guilty about not paying child support."

A loon: "Oh Spider-Man! I gotta come back tomorrow, and the day after that and the day after that... This movie is my new ####ing religion. I'm going to rob a bank to keep seeing this two minutes of Spider-Man over and over again as legally as fricking possible."
 
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