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Somethings I noticed about the original ID4

Maybe they came here to see if they wanted the planet and figured they should study some of the like. I mean how many poor rats did the aliens kill by blowing up the cities. Those poor rats....
 
Again were they on Earth well before the events of the movie? Russell Case said he'd been abducted 10 years prior to the events in the movie. Was he taking the piss with everyone and lying or was he really abducted? Why didn't they attack then?.
Russell never said it was those aliens in particular, although he never saw what the invaders looked like in person. We know there are other aliens out there because President Widmore specifically states that the invaders' modus operandi is to travel from world to the next and devour all of the resources. If all of those worlds were just vegetation and wildlife, they wouldn't need that kind of firepower. Clearly they've been up against or knew they would be up against other advanced civilizations. Ergo, Russell could have been abducted by an entirely different species.
 
Plus according to the movie I think it's safe to assume a lot of our technology was pilfered and based on the technology of the crashed alien ship they had. So they'd have some idea of how their computers code information.
It's still silly that a computer virus made in the 1990s can take out a computer that's likely hundreds of years more advanced. I'm guessing in Resurgence the aliens sent a recon team to Earth to steal anti-virus software from a Best Buy?
 
I always figured there were scouts sent to look for suitable planets for exploitation and they may have taken humans to see if they would have any uses (slaves, food, etc...)
 
I always figured there were scouts sent to look for suitable planets for exploitation and they may have taken humans to see if they would have any uses (slaves, food, etc...)

Well hell if I were invading another planet that's what I would have done or else how else do you explain the alien ship crashing in the 50s.

But seriously aliens, well movie aliens anyway are pretty stupid.

Why attack Earth when you can get all the stuff you need for free without a fight from say Mars, the Moon, or the asteroid belt?
 
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It's still silly that a computer virus made in the 1990s can take out a computer that's likely hundreds of years more advanced. I'm guessing in Resurgence the aliens sent a recon team to Earth to steal anti-virus software from a Best Buy?
Here's the thing..we have THOUSANDS of people ACTIVELY TRYING to make viruses, so of course we're creating responses to such threats... perhaps the aliens are more monocultural, and also kill their enemies outright, so they really haven't faced such a threat
 
Well hell if I were invading another planet that's what I would have done or else how else do you explain the alien ship crashing in the 50s.

But seriously aliens, well movie aliens anyway are pretty stupid.

Why attack Earth when you can get all the stuff you need for free without a fight from say Mars, the Moon, or the asteroid belt?

We have liquid water on the survive. It was the main thing I liked in Battlefield LA, the reason the aliens wanted our planet made perfect sense. Unlike Sighs where the aliens invade a planet full of water, that rains water and couldn't get fucking wet. What a stupid ass movie.
 
It's still silly that a computer virus made in the 1990s can take out a computer that's likely hundreds of years more advanced. I'm guessing in Resurgence the aliens sent a recon team to Earth to steal anti-virus software from a Best Buy?
Why does everyone accept this premise for the new Battlestar Galactica series? ("No networked computers!!!") Or Star Trek: TNG ("Sleep.");

From what I've seen in the real world all it would take is to send them to an alien porn site where they'll click on just about anything to get in.

I don't know if it's beyond the pale that this alien civilization with a collective alien mindset might not have had the foresight to deal with a contingency such as this. It wasn't just a virus it was an attack from within using a trusted component.
 
Why does everyone accept this premise for the new Battlestar Galactica series? ("No networked computers!!!") Or Star Trek: TNG ("Sleep.");

From what I've seen in the real world all it would take is to send them to an alien porn site where they'll click on just about anything to get in.

I don't know if it's beyond the pale that this alien civilization with a collective alien mindset might not have had the foresight to deal with a contingency such as this. It wasn't just a virus it was an attack from within using a trusted component.
It isn't so much the virus I have a problem with as it is that it's such a primitive virus. An advanced alien armada was taken out by a virus that wouldn't even be a threat to the very computer I am writing this post on.

At least with BSG, we can assume the Cylons had advanced computer viruses which were a threat to Colonial computers. Although, hasn't the "Sleep" thing from TBOBW always been criticized?
 
Isn't it implied that all of Earth's technology is based on the alien scout ship recovered from the Roswell crash?

If that's the case, then it doesn't seem so far out of line that a computer virus invented by humans could take down the alien mothership. If all of our technology is based on theirs, then couldn't we invent a virus that takes THEM out?
 
I don't remember such a line or implication made in the movie. Regardless, if it were, we would have an incredibly primitive version. For comparison, could a virus made on a Commodore 64 pose a threat to a modern-day aircraft carrier?
 
I've long lost count the number of times I've seen the movie and I've never gotten the impression that Earth's technology is based on the alien scout ship.
 
I don't remember such a line or implication made in the movie. Regardless, if it were, we would have an incredibly primitive version. For comparison, could a virus made on a Commodore 64 pose a threat to a modern-day aircraft carrier?
I'll readily admit I'm not an expert on hacking or viruses but I don't think they have to be particularly complex or sophisticated, especially if it's not trying to hide itself from virus detection software. Maybe someone more in the know can enlighten. However, using a technique like SQL injection one can hack into a poorly-coded website just by typing in the right stuff on the login form.
 
The scout ship didn't even work until the aliens showed up on July 2nd. Which does bring the point up again of how the ship got here without a mothership.

I bought the prequel boo and I think that explains events from the 50s.
 
I think the effectiveness of the virus is a combination of human technology being based off the Roswell ship and the aliens never having a need to develop any form of anti-virus technology.
 
Well judging from just the trailers I get the sneaky suspicion that in the back of everyone's mind was the possibility of them returning. Hence we Earth used all the scavenged tech to build our defenses.

Plus we have no idea how many aliens survived the counter attack. It's never even hinted at but the books cover that.
 
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I've long lost count the number of times I've seen the movie and I've never gotten the impression that Earth's technology is based on the alien scout ship.
There was a giant clean room full of technicians working on special projects located directly next to the scout ship hangar, which was located in the middle of an aviation test facility at Area 51, so I think it's probably a safe bet that there were technologies that they reverse engineered from the Roswell ship, even if they couldn't get the main "gizmos" running until the mothership arrived.
The scout ship didn't even work until the aliens showed up on July 2nd. Which does bring the point up again of how the ship got here without a mothership.
Maybe it did have a mothership that remained in space but something happened to it (damaged, destroyed, had to leave in a hurry for some reason), and that's why the scoutship crashed when its power supply was cut off. I mean, it had to have had a mothership there regardless, since it's doubtful a small three-person craft with no stasis pods is making interstellar journeys alone.
 
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