Something that really doesn't make sense in Voyager

[The Overlord]

In an episode of first season of Voyager "The Cloud", they mentioned something that made no sense, that the power supply from the Holodeck is incompatible with the rest of the ship. Federation personal have been able to incorporate Cardassian and even Borg tech with their existing tech, but they can't get power from one part of the ship to another part of the ship.

That makes no sense, they wanted to show the Voyager crew struggling with a lack of power, but still do silly Holodeck episodes, it doesn't work.

 

[Dukhat]

In an episode of first season of Voyager "The Cloud", they mentioned something that made no sense, that the power supply from the Holodeck is incompatible with the rest of the ship.

Keep in mind that it probably just didn't work for that week's episode, because that's what the script needed to have happen. This happens all the time in Star Trek.

 

[The Overlord]

In an episode of first season of Voyager "The Cloud", they mentioned something that made no sense, that the power supply from the Holodeck is incompatible with the rest of the ship.

Keep in mind that it probably just didn't work for that week's episode, because that's what the script needed to have happen. This happens all the time in Star Trek.

Sure that happened a lot, there were episodes TNG were they used some new technique or developed some technology and it was never used or heard of again, but this is particularly glaring. Its really ruins the drama they are trying to convey, with the Voyager crew having to worry about starving to death, when apparently they can go to the Holodeck and drink holographic wine.

That really ruins things, its like showing a family who is starving to death, but they still have a PC, TV and X-Box 360 that they play with.

 

[froot]

In an episode of first season of Voyager "The Cloud", they mentioned something that made no sense, that the power supply from the Holodeck is incompatible with the rest of the ship.

Keep in mind that it probably just didn't work for that week's episode, because that's what the script needed to have happen. This happens all the time in Star Trek.

I actually believe it is mentioned in other episodes of Voyager that the holodecks are a separate and incompatible power supply, not just The Cloud. I can't think of them offhand, but I know it's mentioned a few times.

But, yeah, you think they would have damn well found a way to make it compatible one way or another.

 

[SchwEnt]

Doesn't make sense. Yeah you got that right.

Starfleet crews always find a way to access and interface any kind of alien tech they stumble across.
Yet somehow, the Voyager is incompatible with its own power supply. Huh??

Absolutely ridiculous. And what a way to start a series about the "hardships" this stranded crew was gonna face.

Between stuff like this, plus the Maquis and Starfleeters big conflict lasting about two eps, it seemed the whole premise of this series went out the airlock.

These were big problems to me and not acceptable from writers and producers with extensive experience going back thru TNG and DS9. They should have known better and done better.

I lost faith and interest, and really never went back.

 

[Anwar]

Look, if you wanted NuBSG that was never going to happen. NuBSG required them to be totally alone in the Universe except for the Cylons, and for them to be the sole survivors of their civilization with no hope of ever going home again.

VOY is in a Universe that's totally loaded with lifeforms that can and would help them, wormholes or super-aliens who can easily send them home, and a home to return to as well.

Plus the Maquis and Fleeters didn't have serious issues to work through in the first place.

The premise itself was a little screwy, it made no sense that they couldn't make more torpedoes or shuttles on their own so they shouldn't have said they couldn't.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Since it's in situations like this, where the crew is cut off from all contact with home, that the use of holodecks would be more valuable than ever (as a coping/psychological release mechanism), one would think that the holodeck systems would be one of the highest priority systems onboard, second only to life support...

 

[The Overlord]

Since it's in situations like this, where the crew is cut off from all contact with home, that the use of holodecks would be more valuable than ever (as a coping/psychological release mechanism), one would think that the holodeck systems would be one of the highest priority systems onboard, second only to life support...

Replicators would be a way higher priority then the Holodeck, the Holodeck is kinda useless when you are starving to death. In the Cloud, they barely had any power for the replicators, that's a bigger problem then the Holodeck. Also the Warp Drive, weapons, shields, etc are all more important then the Holodeck and should have priority.

The Holodeck is a luxury not a necessity. Frankly if Janeway wanted to deal with psychological issues, she should have just appointed a new ship's councilor, because the power on the Holodeck could have been used for more important things.

Look, if you wanted NuBSG that was never going to happen. NuBSG required them to be totally alone in the Universe except for the Cylons, and for them to be the sole survivors of their civilization with no hope of ever going home again.

VOY is in a Universe that's totally loaded with lifeforms that can and would help them, wormholes or super-aliens who can easily send them home, and a home to return to as well.

Plus the Maquis and Fleeters didn't have serious issues to work through in the first place.

The premise itself was a little screwy, it made no sense that they couldn't make more torpedoes or shuttles on their own so they shouldn't have said they couldn't.

It didn't have to be BSG clone, but Voyager should have been more gritty and desperate then what we saw. They are cut off from all contact from the Federation and stranded in an area that is unknown, being dogmatic about every little Star Fleet regulation is not the best tactic to use. They should have to rewrite the play book a bit, instead Janeway seems more obsessed with the Prime Directive then even Picard was, I think desperate times can call for desperate measures. Its hard to think of them being in a truly desperate situation when they can somehow power the holodeck and have silly adventures there.

 

[Captrek]

Replicators would be a way higher priority then the Holodeck, the Holodeck is kinda useless when you are starving to death.

Interesting thought. If you take a holographic object off the holodeck, it disappears.

What happens if you eat holographic food, stay around on the holodeck long enough to digest it, and then leave the holodeck?

If you stay on the holodeck for a number of years with a steady diet of holographic food, you could end up with a body consisting almost entirely of holo-matter. Then you’d be stuck on the holodeck, but if you stay there and have real-matter food brought to you from outside the holodeck, eventually the holo-matter in your body will be replaced by real matter and you can leave.

We may have just stumbled on how they could have gotten Moriarty and his squeeze off the holodeck.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Food created on the holodeck isn't holographic. It's replicated. It's just like if you eat food that comes out of a replicator.

If the holodeck user calls for real food, the computer will replicate real food for them. Simple as that. In that sense, it's *exactly* like how a replicator works.

 

[froot]

^ If you eat that replicated food on the holodeck and then use a holographic bathroom... what happens when the program ends?

 

[BlobVanDam]

^ If you eat that replicated food on the holodeck and then use a holographic bathroom... what happens when the program ends?

I've always personally been more concerned with the clean up after the Vulcan Ponn Farr holoprogram.........

 

[The_Baroness]

It is kinda dumb. But then...I guess I can't use the power adaptor from my laptop to power my xbox either...

what I always found more annoying and unrealistic in Voyager is how in all those series beforehand, it was pretty rare that a starship found a way to 'cover 10,000 lightyears in a few seconds'.

Sure it happened, E-D did it here and there, DS9 had the wormhole.

But voyager, the ship that's stranded 75,000 light years away in a backwater part of the galaxy seemed to find some way of knocking a decade or two of their journey.

They what, halved it in the seven years they were there, and then found a way home? What purpose did it serve storywise to keep letting them skip 10 years of the trip?

It kinda took the edge of it when they DID find a fast way home, it was like "Oh. another wibbly fast travelly thing"

 

[BlobVanDam]

It is kinda dumb. But then...I guess I can't use the power adaptor from my laptop to power my xbox either...

what I always found more annoying and unrealistic in Voyager is how in all those series beforehand, it was pretty rare that a starship found a way to 'cover 10,000 lightyears in a few seconds'.

Sure it happened, E-D did it here and there, DS9 had the wormhole.

But voyager, the ship that's stranded 75,000 light years away in a backwater part of the galaxy seemed to find some way of knocking a decade or two of their journey.

They what, halved it in the seven years they were there, and then found a way home? What purpose did it serve storywise to keep letting them skip 10 years of the trip?

It kinda took the edge of it when they DID find a fast way home, it was like "Oh. another wibbly fast travelly thing"

Well obviously we knew that they weren't going to get home with any of these "wormhole of the week" stories, so eventually it would just become an annoying case of not caring because we know every plan will fail. I think it was better that they had the occasional success of making some ground.

I totally understand your point that it was unrealistic that they managed to find several ways to shave thousands of light years off their journey, even more when you factor in all of the failed attempts, but personally I think it worked out more entertaining this way.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ If you eat that replicated food on the holodeck and then use a holographic bathroom... what happens when the program ends?

The holodeck naturally recycles any...output that you produce in there. Just like I'm sure a regular bathroom would. The holodeck is just an extension of the ship's systems, after all. The ship's normal waste reclamation routines would apply.

 

[The_Baroness]

D'ya reckon after a sonic shower, the replicator takes all the dirt grime and belly button fluff out of the plug hole and turns it into cheeseburgers?

..cos..ewwww.

 

[Captrek]

^ Food created on the holodeck isn't holographic. It's replicated. It's just like if you eat food that comes out of a replicator.

If the holodeck user calls for real food, the computer will replicate real food for them. Simple as that. In that sense, it's *exactly* like how a replicator works.

Is food a special case? As a general rule, they work differently. You can replicate food, or just about any object besides latinum, and take it anywhere. If you create a holomatter object on the holodeck, then you cannot take it off of the holodeck, except in the first two or three seasons of TNG.

 

[Anwar]

I'd say food would make sense as a different case on the holodeck, what other point would there be to having food you'd eat in a holo-program?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'm sure that a user can ask the computer to replicate a normal object while inside the holodeck. For example, if I used the 'deck to recreate, say, the game where A-Rod hit his 600th home run, and while watching it, decided I wanted a jersey, the computer could replicate one. But this is probably only done if the user specifically requests it, to save energy.

Food would always be replicated, but normal matter would usually be holographic, except for user requests. Seems simple enough.

 

[Capt_Pickirk]

Frankly if Janeway wanted to deal with psychological issues, she should have just appointed a new ship's councilor

She did. He was called Neelix. (Well, technically he was morale officer but whatever)