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Something that bugs me about TUC

It's also retroactive when it was common knowledge Klingons don't take prisoners

Umm, what? Kirk, a man himself taken prisoner by Klingons, made a joke about it in ST2. That's all.

I just didn't buy the Enterprise blasting through warp speed in the heart of Klingon space and intel couldn't identify their greatest enemy's vessel??? Wow.

Well, that was sheer verisimilitude - Matthias Rust and all. The Klingons/Soviets were a joke, no matter how grim. No wonder Kirk, and Chekov, used them as the butt end of one, then.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Regarding moving Gorkon, is it possible his injuries were grievous enough that moving him could have caused more harm? Especially with no medics available, I could have seen the survivors erring on the side of caution.
 
I like TUC, but have always been irked by the feel-good ending that lets Valeris off the hook. She's a traitor who murdered at least two people -- and they drop the charges? Huh?
 
I like TUC, but have always been irked by the feel-good ending that lets Valeris off the hook. She's a traitor who murdered at least two people -- and they drop the charges? Huh?
Where did you get the idea that the charges against Valeris were dropped? Spock is shown with her in custody at the end on Khitomer. McCoy's line "And the good news is, they're not going to prosecute" is referring to the Enterprise crew breaking into the peace conference, not Valeris.
 
I like TUC, but have always been irked by the feel-good ending that lets Valeris off the hook. She's a traitor who murdered at least two people -- and they drop the charges? Huh?

Yes, the ending was a little too flippant for my taste. They were all in a conspiracy to murder Gorkon, for which Kirk (before he was exonerated) got a lifetime in a penal colony. In all logic, they should all share his fate (with no escape ploy this time). I bet there's plenty of room in Rura Penthe to accommodate them.
 
They were perfectly clear. Spock is holding her prisoner the last time we see her in the movie. Don't blame the filmmakers because you misunderstood the ending for 27 years.

"The good news is that they're not going to prosecute."

What? How? Whom?

I am sorry but that's not clear enough. As for Valeris, for all we know she was released by the authorities later and the comment encompassed her.

It's all a matter of interpretation but there's no hard evidence either way.
 
"The good news is that they're not going to prosecute."

What? How? Whom?

I am sorry but that's not clear enough. As for Valeris, for all we know she was released by the authorities later and the comment encompassed her.

It's all a matter of interpretation but there's no hard evidence either way.
The line right before that is "Once again we've saved civilization as we know it." Kirk is clearly talking about the Enterprise crew, the people on the bridge with him. The people he's been on many adventures with over the last 25 years. McCoy's line, replying to him, states that they aren't going to prosecuted for the crimes that they committed (breaking into the conference, escaping Rura Penthe, going radio silent from Starfleet, sharing classified information, etc. ) exposing the conspiracy. There is absolutely nothing to imply that Valeris is being forgiven or set free. It's just a humorous epilogue along the lines of what we saw in most TOS episodes over the years. (See "The Galileo Seven," "The Changeling," "The Trouble with Tribbles," and "Mirror, Mirror," among others.)

Really, I've understood this since my first viewing in 1991, and I'm at a loss as to how you find this exchange confusing unless you're being willfully ignorant.
 
And hell, we could even go a couple lines deeper into the scene:
UHURA: They might as well have prosecuted me. I felt like Lieutenant Valeris.
McCOY: Well, they don't arrest people for having feelings.
CHEKOV: And it's a good thing too. If we did we'd all have to turn ourselves in.
What are we to infer from those lines other than that Valeris and her fellow conspirators were arrested and prosecuted?
 
"The good news is that they're not going to prosecute."

What? How? Whom?

I am sorry but that's not clear enough. As for Valeris, for all we know she was released by the authorities later and the comment encompassed her.

It's all a matter of interpretation but there's no hard evidence either way.

One of the sacrifices in making a rushed product the audience has to make assumptions to scenes. Some cases wild assumptions, but its safe to assume the bad guys were arrested and TOS crew saved the day.
 
Kirk's gang broke a lot of laws (again) but saved civilization as they know it (again) and they're not going to prosecute (again).
None of that applies to Valeris and her bosses, the ones who put civilization at risk. Of course they're going to prosecute.
 
For the record, here are the last shots of Valeris in the movie:


Spock is holding her by the arm, later on she's being held in place by a Klingon, and oh yeah -- she's handcuffed. These would not be the last shots of her in the movie if she were being set free.
 
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Here's the full exchange:

KIRK: Once again we've saved civilization, as we know it.
McCOY: And the good news is they're not going to prosecute.
UHURA: They might as well have prosecuted me. I felt like Lieutenant Valeris.
McCOY: Well, they don't arrest people for having feelings.
CHEKOV: And it's a good thing too. If we did we'd all have to turn ourselves in.

Uhura's line, in response to McCoy's, infers that "not going to prosecute" refers to Valeris. The remainder of the dialogue refers to McCoy's standard jab at Spock, in re: feelings.

What is the crime for which they would have been prosecuted, anyway? They thwarted a crime in the line of duty.

For the record, here are the last shots of Valeris in the movie:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=54958&fullsize=1

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=54960&fullsize=1

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=54962&fullsize=1

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=54970&fullsize=1

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=54982&fullsize=1

Spock is holding her by the arm, later on she's being held in place by a Klingon, and oh yeah -- she's handcuffed. These would not be the last shots of her in the movie if she were being set free.

Those scenes PRECEDE McCoy's line about not prosecuting. There's nothing to suggest that Valeris remained in custody.
 
What is the crime for which they would have been prosecuted, anyway? They thwarted a crime in the line of duty.
Despite what movies constantly show us, you can still be prosecuted for crimes you commit while trying to prove your innocence of another crime. If you frame me for murder and I break into your house to get evidence that proves I'm innocent, I can still be arrested and prosecuted for breaking into your house after I'm found innocent of murder.
 
And hell, we could even go a couple lines deeper into the scene:

What are we to infer from those lines other than that Valeris and her fellow conspirators were arrested and prosecuted?

I don't see it. There's not enough info in that ambiguous exchange to know what group of people it applies to.

But you're entitled to your opinion.
 
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