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Some thoughts on Annorax (Year of Hell)

One thing I didn't get was the fighting between Chakotay and Paris in this ep. At first I thought they were putting it on as part of a plot to escape but apparently it was real? I always find it jarring.

Annorax is an excellent character. As to the original movie question I think most of VOY's double eps are better than a lot of the movies. Much more nuanced and interesting than Soran who could have been epic. Soran was just a waste with one good (but meaningless, lol) line. You can tell he is supposed to be so much more, obsessive, dashing, genius.. but he's just a classic face going through the motions. At least with Nero they weren't implying he was anything amazing ("a trucker whose wife gets killed" one of the writers said).
 
Ironically, Chakotay was going native.

Paris had already seen Chuckles abandon his marquis principles to service the Janeway Administration, and it was in all likelihood the next move ahead for this FLIPFLOPPER to sign up with Annorax forgetting about whatsmacallit the captain lady from Voya-something.

Paris was in danger of being ditched. He had to fight the Indian because his eye was on two balls and Paris wasn't really sure which ball Chuckles was more invested in.

So really it seems it's quite possible that Chakotay has no immunity whatsoever to the Stockholm Syndrome rather than that he wanted to boink Janeway or Annorax and the little brave in his pants wasn't telling him to fit for a collar and lead.
 
On Universe, the Maquis are killing Terran crew to exert their point of view and seize command, bodies are stacking up on both sides, but in the lull between threats and murder they talk about what is to come after, how the survivors will create a working peace.

Everything Tuvok feared would happen in Worst Case Senario, and it was bloody and bloody awesome.
 
teacake said:
Guy Gardener said:
So really it seems it's quite possible that Chakotay has no immunity whatsoever to the Stockholm Syndrome
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Whoa. I think you are onto something there.
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It was very clear in this episode that Annorax had caught on to Chakotay's "reasonableness" while Paris was too hard-headed to understand.

In truth, we saw how easily Chak was swayed by the much stronger willed person. He was fed a line and followed it without ever really giving any real resistance. He starts by going with 'if I can just get to know him, reason with him, then maybe I can talk him out of this', and Paris goes along with it, though he's reluctant. Then, Chak starts moving toward 'I see what he's doing here; it's got merit. Maybe we can work toward common goals', and Paris starts getting antsy. Finally, Chak starts spouting exactly the same dogma as Annorax, and Paris says 'f--- you, man. I'm going back to Janeway', and Chak realizes he's been had... again.

This isn't the first time Chak's been brainwashed. It seems he's pretty susceptible to it.
 
Again?

When was the fist time he had been had? (Memorial, Nemesis? brainwashing doesn't count, or it counts differently to being seduced outright when he's in his right mind. I suppose "trusting" Seska, but then allowing her to follow him, Tuvok too, is hardly the same as him being convinced to follow that girl feet first into the Cardassian Union.)

What I find amusing is if Chuckles did turn that meteor and voyager never entered that region (which shouldn't have spared them from Annoraxes next incursion) what was Chakotay planning to do with the OTHER Chakotay and Paris who would have never had the opportunity to have been captured by Annorax? Work side by side? Bump off and quietly replace? Or live the rest of life elsewhere smug in the revelation that "A" Chakotay is happy on Voyager letting the line out, giving Janeway some more slack in his 30 year plan to nail her?
 
Mach5 said:
BTW, do you think a Picard/Annorax showdown would be more fitting than the thing we saw on VOY?

Any thoughts on this?
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I think that would have been quite awesome!:techman: Picard is my favorite Star Trek Captain, but as far as fitting it better than VOY ... i don't really think so. It would be just as good in my opinion.
 
Just in case it hasn't come up yet, I gotta say that Annorax is the worst named character in the Star Trek universe. The guy's named for a plastic raincoat.

"Year of Hell" was a very enjoyable two-parter, IMO ruined somewhat by the Big Red Reset Button finale.

There would have been so much potential in an ongoing story arc with Janeway trying to reunite her scattered crew, and find alien tech to rebuild the wreck of Voyager.

Also the Krenim weapon doesn't quite fit the current Trek "multiverse" concept (i.e. the story absolutely requires one alterable timeline).

I found the flashforward scene from that Kes episode (whose name I don't remember) being re-inacted by Seven fascinating. It's got all sorts of implications with regards to destiny and free will, and reminds me strongly of those "unlikey coincidence" arguments that crop up in the STXI forum.
 
KingDaniel said:
"Year of Hell" was a very enjoyable two-parter, IMO ruined somewhat by the Big Red Reset Button finale.

There would have been so much potential in an ongoing story arc with Janeway trying to reunite her scattered crew, and find alien tech to rebuild the wreck of Voyager.
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Oh heavens, yes, the reset button was awful. Patching Voyager (and her captain, who was clearly teetering on the edge) back together would have been a great story.

I didn't know Annorax was a plastic raincoat. :lol:
 
"Annorax" is supposed to be a latin derivative for "Time King", I think.

Anywho, I can see why they reset it: there would've been NO WAY to repair the damage done to the ship, and Paramount wouldn't shell out the cash to have them keep changing the CGI model of the ship for an extended period or change the show sets.
 
I agree...PlUS we've already had one blind Lt Commander on the bridge of a Starship. "Two" would have been redundent.
 
Anwar said:
"Annorax" is supposed to be a latin derivative for "Time King", I think.

Anywho, I can see why they reset it: there would've been NO WAY to repair the damage done to the ship, and Paramount wouldn't shell out the cash to have them keep changing the CGI model of the ship for an extended period or change the show sets.
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Oh really? Much of Star Trek Enterprise's third season featured an utterly wrecked NX-01, complete with redone stock footage flybys, trashed interiors and unwashed crewmen.

Also: When I hear "Annorax", I think "Anorak", no matter what the writers had in mind :p.
 
It was cheaper to do that stuff on ENT than on VOY, and also by then other shows had done the same thing. UPN (and Paramount at the time) is notoriously allergic to letting their shows pioneer stuff, but once it's been shown to work they're okay with using ideas like that.

Also, ENT only was wrecked for one season. By the end of S3 they fixed the ship up so utterly you'd never think it took a scratch. VOY couldn't do that and would NEVER have been able to fix anything after Year of Hell.
 
Technically they already had a wrecked CG model. The only problem would be if they would have wanted to show the ship gradually becoming fixed.

If YOH had been planned as part of an arc, likely they wouldn't have ruined Voyager quite as badly. Nor would Tuvok have become blind, probably. It wouldn't have been the same episode. They wouldn't smash a year into one set of episodes.
 
At the end of the season they could always have come across something like that evil automated repair station from Enterprise (can't remember what the episode was called, but I know the station was voiced by Roxann Dawson, who directed the episode), to make everything all shiny again.
 
KingDaniel said:
At the end of the season they could always have come across something like that evil automated repair station from Enterprise (can't remember what the episode was called, but I know the station was voiced by Roxann Dawson, who directed the episode), to make everything all shiny again.
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Dead stop. The station was voiced by Roxanne Dawson.

DonIago said:
KingDaniel said:
Also the Krenim weapon doesn't quite fit the current Trek "multiverse" concept (i.e. the story absolutely requires one alterable timeline).
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Not if you think of the weapon as allowing the timeship to jump timelines.
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Ah, but we actually saw time changing in the wake of that ripple of temporal edition. Perhaps the reason why the weapon is so excellent is that it did something time really thought was cockeyed.

It follows with the yesterdays Enterprise and city on the edge of forever uses of time travel, others also... Are you more so thinking of how stargate uses time?
 
If you were to assume that the timeship is jumping realities you could also assume that the "ripple" is the timeship's new reality "overtaking" the old from their perspective.

As Doctor Crusher once said so eloquently, "If there's nothing wrong with me, maybe there's something wrong with the universe," though in reverse.
 
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