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Social Commentary in this new Star Trek show

I would be kind of surprised if Star Trek's bathrooms were even seperated by sex. If anything they'd probably be more likely to be seperated by anatomy, since there are probably at least a few races who get rid of their waste differently than the standard humanoid.
That would be interesting. Kind of like B5's different alien zones. I would like to see some sections of the starships require different atmospheric conditions than standard humans. I liked it when Heinlein would describe different alien accommodations and how Earth standard atmosphere could kill them.
 
That would be interesting. Kind of like B5's different alien zones. I would like to see some sections of the starships require different atmospheric conditions than standard humans. I liked it when Heinlein would describe different alien accommodations and how Earth standard atmosphere could kill them.

Hm. That's an interesting idea, but I wouldn't like it on a Federation starship. On B5 it made sense, because it was an interspecies diplomatic and trade hub. But Federation ships are those "action guys". Nobody should serve on a starship which atmosphere he can't breathe, simply because of all possible technical failures/invasions etc. It's like in the French foreign legion: everyone must be able to speak the same language to be allowed to serve together in a combat zone. I think: Every alien MUST be able to survive human conditions to serve on a human starship. But it would be an interesting concept for one-off episodes where they visit other starbases, or transport alien ambassadors on their ship.

That being said, whenever we will first see toilets in Star Trek (or even only toilet doors), I want them to go completely bonkers with the bathroom signs! :rommie:
 
Hm. That's an interesting idea, but I wouldn't like it on a Federation starship. On B5 it made sense, because it was an interspecies diplomatic and trade hub. But Federation ships are those "action guys". Nobody should serve on a starship which atmosphere he can't breathe, simply because of all possible technical failures/invasions etc. It's like in the French foreign legion: everyone must be able to speak the same language to be allowed to serve together in a combat zone. I think: Every alien MUST be able to survive human conditions to serve on a human starship. But it would be an interesting concept for one-off episodes where they visit other starbases, or transport alien ambassadors on their ship.

That being said, whenever we will first see toilets in Star Trek (or even only toilet doors), I want them to go completely bonkers with the bathroom signs! :rommie:

That's no different than TNG. There were multiple episodes where the Enterprise was transporting an ambassador who had special environmental requirements.
 
That being said, whenever we will first see toilets in Star Trek (or even only toilet doors), I want them to go completely bonkers with the bathroom signs! :rommie:

Cute, but I think that other than "Restroom" there wouldn't be much signs. Private stalls, at least, seem to be the order of the day, not barracks-style pee-troughs.
 
Hm. That's an interesting idea, but I wouldn't like it on a Federation starship. On B5 it made sense, because it was an interspecies diplomatic and trade hub. But Federation ships are those "action guys". Nobody should serve on a starship which atmosphere he can't breathe, simply because of all possible technical failures/invasions etc. It's like in the French foreign legion: everyone must be able to speak the same language to be allowed to serve together in a combat zone. I think: Every alien MUST be able to survive human conditions to serve on a human starship. But it would be an interesting concept for one-off episodes where they visit other starbases, or transport alien ambassadors on their ship.

That being said, whenever we will first see toilets in Star Trek (or even only toilet doors), I want them to go completely bonkers with the bathroom signs! :rommie:
I think it depends on the ship and its role. mean, the Ent-D was the flagship and handled negotiations several times that I can recall. I would think that even if it isn't a permanent fixture, that some accommodation could be made.

Also, to be fair to B5, other species could go on to the section, just with a mask of some kind, which is no different than the Benzites with their methane breathers. I would like to see more of that, possibly with a main character so that their quarters are a little different.

Or a Horta crew member.
 
They did the kind of stuff you guys are talking about in the Titan books. Titan is specifically set up as one of the most racially diverse crews in Starfleet history, so the crewmembers quarters were able to change to match the environmental needs of it's resident. Melora Pazlar from DS9 is a crewmember and hers have low gravity, and there's a water breather whose quarters are filled with water.
 
I think it depends on the ship and its role. mean, the Ent-D was the flagship and handled negotiations several times that I can recall. I would think that even if it isn't a permanent fixture, that some accommodation could be made.

Also, to be fair to B5, other species could go on to the section, just with a mask of some kind, which is no different than the Benzites with their methane breathers. I would like to see more of that, possibly with a main character so that their quarters are a little different.

Or a Horta crew member.

I would like it if there's an alien main character that can breath earth-like atmoosphere, but prefers the one from his homeworld in his quarter. Or something like "Abe Sapien" from "Hellboy", who lived under water, and had often his "reverse" diving suit on, but would also survive without water (short term).
 
Titan books ... the crewmembers quarters were able to change to match the environmental needs of it's resident
I remember something like this going bock to the mid 1970's (the FJ blueprints?), where the the living quarters could be configured to other than class M. Really nothing new under the sun.

To have something like the alien quarters (a la Babylon five) on the Enterprise would be just fine. Non-Humanoid crew and also the occasionally ambassador/passager, who can exist in "class M," but are seen to have to retreat to their normal atmosphere to "recharge" everyday.

To remind us that everyone in the galaxy isn't Human/
 
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It'd be nice to see a little bit of subtle social commentary without being beaten over the head with it or feeling like the entire 13-episode arc was a big social justice lecture aimed at me. If I start feeling like that watching the show, I won't be watching it for long.
 
subtle social commentary
Maybe instead of discussing social commentary, they could be shown to be living it. An idea brought up in another thread would to have the ship's crew be of a large number of different religions, but (while never being mentioned) they're all shown on a day to day basis just getting along.

The lieutenant at the helm is wearing her hijab, and it's just there. No vebal commentary, but the audience sees it and knows she isn't being made to remove it out of religious intolerance. The audienec sees the Federation and Starfleet observing religious freedom. Nothing said, it's just there

Just one example.
 
I think at this point, I think it would be hard for the writers to avoid putting in a Trump allegory in this show eventually.
 
Since "this new Star Trek show" has its own forum these days, I'm bumping this thread up there.
 
It'd be nice to see a little bit of subtle social commentary without being beaten over the head with it

I take it you didn't enjoy The Omega Glory?

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Or Patterns of Force?

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I think at this point, I think it would be hard for the writers to avoid putting in a Trump allegory in this show eventually.

Half of America still thinks that Donald is Santa-Jesus, so if you are implying that some negative p... I haven't checked to see if he's been impeached today. The lad is on holiday, so what skeevy #### could he get up to, however, if he's on holiday, this is the perfect point in time to kick off a coup, doubly so if the army is distracted by the Superbowl.
 
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Half of America still thinks that Donald is Santa-Jesus, so if you are implying that some negative p... I haven't checked to see if he's been impeached today. The lad is only holiday, so what skeevy #### could he get up to, however, if he's on holiday, this is the perfect point in time to kick off a coup, doubly so if the army is distracted by the Superbowl.

Yeah, but Hollywood writers can't stand him and I think the writers assume most of the Star Trek fan base can''t stand him either. Didn't TOS write a bunch of anti Vietnam episodes when the war was at its height? At least with an allegory, you have some plausible deniability.
 
Well, you're certainly likely to see a lot about authoritarianism. :)

I'm sure the show will be the usual staggeringly understated "war is bad, m'kay?" with a side of "discrimination is bad, m'kay?"

Both of which are absolutely true, of course, but like most of the commentary Trek has been willing to advance since the 80s neither is at all daring.
 
Issues like "white privilege", "cis gender" and "micro aggression" would fit in with TNG and Star Trek in general.

I don't think TNG even at its most liberal, ever got that preachy. And I definitely hope DSC doesn't.

As for a Trump allegory: I'm not a fan of the guy either, but I have to agree that DSC would not handle it well. They'd go over the top, just like everybody else does. Writers can be easily blinded by hate.
 
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