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So You're Given Full Creative Control of VOY after Season 3...

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This was really the point in which the series was at a creative and adminstrative cross-roads. Everyone knew at this point that important decisions were going to be made that would fundamentally alter the series going forward.


So, let's say you were given full creative control at this point, in between Seasons 3 and 4. Assume you have no interference from the network. What do you do?


Do you keep Kes and get rid of Harry? Do you jettison any other characters? Do you add any other characters? New villains? New romances?


Do you treat Seven's role differently going forward? Do you map out a broader strategy for getting Voyager home safely?


Does it become more serialized under your direction?


You have the keys to the car with four seasons to go. What do you do?
 
Do you keep Kes and get rid of Harry? Do you treat Seven's role differently going forward?
Follow what I understand was the original plan and kick Harry Kim off the show
("He died a hero" *sob*). And retain Kes.

Have Seven and Kes develop into friends, have Kes be one of Seven's guides in discovering her "Humanity." It would be Seven's Borg Nanites that extend Kes's life (at least until the last episode). Kes would also be the one with whom Seven later explores her sexuality.

I would have some members of the crew request to leave the ship at one point, so Janeway would have to deal with the problem.

A crewmember would begin to have psychological problems with the long journey, not ridiculous and pathetic like nuBSG, but in a interesting way.

Alter Chakotay into "the sage." The character who (occasionally) provides the Janeway the missing piece of the puzzle, from his limitless supply of Native American folksy stories. "This reminds me of a tale my father told me as a child."

Hey, it worked in Scorpion.

Have Voyager meet up with (yeah) a alternate Voyager. It would be crewed with all the people who were killed in the pilot. Especially hot helm-girl.

There would still be some Borg episodes, but not so many.

Species four digit would not recreate a phony Starfleet academy in a bubble.

The Delany sisters appear on the show, and they are Siamese twins.

Five of the crew are trapped on the holodeck, and must complete the novel The Wonderful Wizard of Oz. The holodeck computer uses the likenesses of other officers for characters

Kes .......... Dorthy
Neelix ..... Cowardly Lion
Tuvok ..... Tin Woodsman
Seven ..... Scarecrow
Naomi .... Toto (why am I a dog?)

Chakotay .Wizard
Janeway .. The Wicked Witch of the West

And special guest star Harry Kim ... The Wicked Witch of the East

:)
 
Harry, Tuvok, Tom, Neelix and Chakotay go skinny dipping and bare their nude bums to the camera.

Whosoever got the least mail, positive + negative, would be the one fired to make room for Seven.
 
Towards the end of season 3 a mutant transtachyon virus infects the ship and within in hours all the men are dead other than Tuvok who is freeze dried until a cure can be found. The only male left standing is the EMH who is distraught over all the hours he wasted training Paris to be a nurse when he could have had the Delaney sisters.

7 enters the show as well as an alien woman who eats only moths. Janeway desperately needs more crew but fears allowing any other males on board because the origin and dispersal of the virus remains a mystery despite all the EMH's blatherings and theories. Harry and Tom's places on the bridge are taken over by the moth lady who is a crack pilot and an ex-Maquis Bajoran who soon begins cultivating moths in her quarters.

The virus has stripped Kes of her emerging powers and slowed her development. She is very depressed and no longer offers sage advice from her 3 years of life. She devotes herself to being the best nurse she can be.

While cleaning out Tom's quarters Rain Robinson is discovered in a stasis chamber under Tom's bed. She is awakened and takes over Neelix's role as kitchen rat and peppy person.

7, with her wide range of of knowledge, rote understanding of Starfleet protocol, deep respect for Janeway and ability to challenge any decisions she felt were poor becomes First Officer.

In Season 5 a ship also pulled into the Delta quadrant by the Caretaker is found, crewed by wealthy female Bolians. They had been on a bachlorette cruise 18 years ago before being lost in the DQ. They have spent the last 18 years training themselves in the running of their ship, armaments, the sciences. They gladly join Voyager and the problems created by not enough crew are at last alleviated. Also, everything is fabulous and blue.
 
Well Voyager was too much of a sausagefest.

I do hope tal celes will spring forth as a major character ion your reinvisiopned production?
 
Keep Kes.
Kill Kim and/or Chakotay.
Make YOH a season or more (the RDM)
 
I have two options here:

In the first one, I wouldn't have made any changes in the cast. I would have kept the main characters from seasons 1-3.

I wouldn't have included The Borg at all, maybe only for some episode in season 6 or 7 and the Voyager crew wouldn't have got in touch with Earth until season 7. Naomi would have had a more human lifespan and not such a prominent character. When it comes to lifespans, in season 4 hey would have found a way to prolong Kes's lifespan.

There would have been more encounters with unknown alien species and the final episodes would have been a two-parter including a final encounter with the female Caretaker and a decent homecoming. Maybe a "happy end" between Janeway and Chakotay since many fans wanted such a scenario.

In option 2, Seven would have been included and there would have been more of the Borg. But Seven would have been a recurring character in seasons 4 and 5, a nemesis for the Voyager crew in the same way as Seska was. In the last episode of season 5, she would have been captured by the Voyager crew and in seasons 6 and 7 we would have had the development we saw in the series as it was, with Seven becoming a member of the crew, searching for her humanity.

The Voyager crew wouldn't have got in touch with Earth until season 7. Naomi would have had a more human lifespan and not such a prominent character. When it comes to lifespans, in season 4 hey would have found a way to prolong Kes's lifespan.

There would have been more encounters with unknown alien species and the final episodes would have been a two-parter including a final encounter with the female Caretaker and a decent homecoming. Maybe a "happy end" between Janeway and Chakotay since many fans wanted such a scenario.

That's the scenarios I would have chosen for Voyager.
 
This was really the point in which the series was at a creative and adminstrative cross-roads. Everyone knew at this point that important decisions were going to be made that would fundamentally alter the series going forward.

So, let's say you were given full creative control at this point, in between Seasons 3 and 4. Assume you have no interference from the network. What do you do?

Do you keep Kes and get rid of Harry? Do you jettison any other characters? Do you add any other characters? New villains? New romances?

Do you treat Seven's role differently going forward? Do you map out a broader strategy for getting Voyager home safely?

Does it become more serialized under your direction?

You have the keys to the car with four seasons to go. What do you do?

Early on in season 4, after an episode or three dealing with different people - low-exposure or new characters, even; just like Lower Decks or Good Shepherd (hey, let's even use those guys) - reacting in varying shades of "bad" towards their still long journey home, Voyager finds an M-Class planet fairly similar to earth. It's inhabited, scarcely, by a benevolent humanoid race and its paradise-like allure takes its toll on the crew. A good twenty-something crew members decide to stay and lay the foundation for a federation colony. Chakotay, who had an enlightening encounter with the planet's spiritual realm, elects to remain as well. Voyager departs, down 23 crew, a share of supplies and 3 shuttlecraft.

This new situation shakes up some of Voyager's rank dynamic. Tuvok is promoted to First Officer, and with his counsel and coaching, Seven takes over as chief of security instead of sidelining Harry as science guy. Both Tom and Harry get a promotion.

Neelix, in his eagerness, precedes Icheb and officially enlists. In a two-parter, he of all people is responsible for a succesful encounter with the Hirogen and Janeway declares him acting Ensign.

Kes and Seven form an uneasy relationship at first. Workforce happens much earlier, and the two of them will be the ones who remain 'outside' and work together to retrieve the crew (instead of Kim/Neelix/Chakotay) and bond over it. Kes is crucial to Seven's gradual integration and, to some extent, acts as yet another guardian figure for Naomi.

Kes is also the one who dies in Mortal Coil. Seven's probes bring her back, but it's not clean. The probes end up locking Kes in a status quo - every time she goes to sleep, her body is reset to what it was before, so while she's now functionally immortal, she's unable to form new memories as a result. A literal journey to her mind takes place, and the doctor eventually finds a way to repair her brain with the added bonus that Kes' lifespan is extended to about 40 years.

When Voyager eventually finds Equinox, things are much different from what we saw. Equinox is a much bigger ship, something along the lines of a Nebula-class successor (with Sovereign aesthetics). On board, things look ugly - after the experimentation on the nucleogenic aliens, part of the crew mutinied and the ship is adrift, most key systems disabled or destroyed due to an on-board civil war. Push comes to shove and Ransom and his friends manage to force saucer seperation from their Engineering, aiming to blow up their saucer as well as Voyager from the secondary hull, but a surprise attack from the nucleogenic beings destroys the stardrive section. Harry finds a way to communicate with the aliens in time to explain and negotiate. In an amusing twist, they consider the Equinox the offending party and the crew mere tools, so Voyager gets to save what's left of the insurgents and the aliens destroy the saucer section. Bam, we're up to 165 crew now.

This adds a few extras. The Doctor actually gets two nurses (and a semi-jealous Tom who only starts missing sickbay duty when he's no longer stuck with it), B'elanna gets a half-andorian engineer she develops playful rivalry with every few episodes - one we never see, a la Captain Boday. To compensate, every Borg child but Icheb dies in "Collective" to keep the extra count about even.

8472 never builds their silly holo-station. Fair Haven is now 19th Century London with murder mysteries instead of Janeway's ethnically offensive Holo-Vibrator.

The conflict with the Vaadwaur is a recurring theme for most of season 6 - there's a bounty on Voyager, but by the end of the season they manage to elude it and leave by virtue of the graviton catapult hurling them way beyond Vaadwaur space and another 7 years closer to earth - the original intent was to get them to the very border of the quadrant, but during the final confrontation with the Vaadwaur the catapult is caught in crossfire and starts exploding just as Voyager is launched (conveniently leaving the pursuers without a way of following as well).

Lack of Chakotay means Seven never has a half-assed relationship with him. She instead slowly and carefully approaches Harry again, and they never quite hook up even though things are slowly developing in that direction.

Friendship One never happens. Carey finishes his model in time for the last episode and gives it to Janeway to celebrate their eventual return to the Alpha Quadrant.
 
Some interesting ideas there KNH, Lynx- I'm not sure about Seven being Voyager's "nemesis", what form would that take exactly?

-After reading KNH's suggestion to get rid of Chakotay, I'm now slightly unsure whether I'd want to get rid of Harry or Chakotay...both were bad actors but Harry had more potential in terms of developing leadership skills/romance etc. So I actually think getting rid of Chakotay would have been the better option, while obviously brining on Seven of Nine and keeping Kes.

-Build an arboretum-esque set to act as the air/hydroponics bay. This will take Kes away from sick bay a bit allowing Seven to interact with the doctor and put her part time into an unofficial sort of counsellor position. It will be a place for the crew to relax and simply share their problems, and lessen use of that horribly sterile Mess Hall set.

-Seven would not be put into her overly tight and revealing catsuits, which I felt cheapened her character and distracted from Ryan's fantastic acting and how good a character Seven really was. I enjoyed Seven's development but felt she stagnated a bit after season 4, I'd like to see her perhaps develop hobbies (such as cooking) and the desire for a romantic interest a bit sooner than season 7 preferably with Harry Kim who I thought was a pretty good fit for her. She would slowly develop a good friendship of Kes who would be important in helping her get in touch with her femininity and her emotions.

-The show would become more arc based but not as much as Deep Space Nine as I do appreciate Voyager for being a show that was able to bring a lot of great sci-fi concepts to the scene. Season 4 would have several episodes devoted to the Year of Hell, and future arcs would include the Vaduuar, the Void (seen in Night where the show gets to breathe for a bit) and I can definitely see a lot of potential for some good Borg story arcs. Most importantly, I'd have the writers actually co-operate a lot more, the feeling of general continuity and character progression would be much stronger with this. Not to mention Voyager's technology would lose that "magical" edge and the ship would begin to look lived in, and issues of supplies/energy/shuttles/torpedoes etc would be explicity addresses. Voyager would go through times of plenty but also times of hardship and strife. It wouldn't just be all the same until they end up at earth.

-A clear story arc would be mapped out for each character and writers would be more aware of how to write particular characters leading up to an episode in which an issue of theirs for example was dealt with or explored - prime example being B'Ellana before "Extreme Risk".

Harry- I'd like to see his character become someone who isn't such a goody two shows. I previously mentioned a storyline where Harry somehow (wormhole/time travel/alternate dimension etc etc) experiences the horrors of the war going on in the AQ and as a result scuppers a surefire attempt for Voyager to get home. This could paint him as a coward but also as someone who has grown so close to his Voyager family that he doesn't want to send them to what could be certain death. This kind of gray area could be good for Harry.
Tom Paris - I think the "bad boy" image was broken from the beginning and is way beyond salvageable in season 4. I'd let him have his occasional holodeck adventures, flesh out his friendship with Kim etc. Most importantly I'd develop a love triangle between Kes/Torres and Paris with Torres eventually winning out.
B'Ellana Torres - I liked the character development episodes we got with B'Ellana, but the problem was the effects didn't really seem visible. I'd like her to be visibly angry and worked up and then quite clearly change after an event like that in "Barge of the Dead" by being calmer and more in touch with her Klingon culture.
Janeway- The writers need to decide on what Janeway is. For me, I don't want to see a female Picard. I think that Janeway should be a decisive, pragmatic, strong woman who makes the hard decisions that she feels are best for the crew and the Voyage home. But this headstrong approach should have consequences when members of the crew understandably become disillusioned with the idea of having someone lording over them for a 70 year journey, and this would lead to a break in season 4/5 and the founding of a new kind of command structure unique to Voyager which would involve more of the crew's input.
Tuvok - Tuvok would be the new first officer. Personally Tuvok's character doesn't inspire me very much and I can't imagine doing much with him beyond what had already been done. He's already over 100 with extremely strong mental discipline so I never thought Voyager's journey would change him much.
The EMH- The EMH got great development throughout the show and the issue of holographic rights were well explored. Even though he turned into a douchebag later on in the show who was constantly whining, I found it believable. So I wouldn't change much, I wouldn't have him choose a name and I would keep his unrequited love with Seven.
Neelix - The new airponics set would take some action away from that awful, grey Mess Hall but I don't see that being too much of a problem. Neelix is still there to serve food, help out growing the vegetables, act as the ambassador and be a godfather to Naomi Wildman. I don't see the need for many great changes with the character as he was a perfectly pleasant presence throughout the show for me
Kes- She would split her time between sickbay and airponics where she would be a sounding board for people's problems aboard the ship. She would be involved in a Paris/Torres love triangle, have a child during her Elogium, discover more about the origins and history of her people, and successfully expand her lifespan through this while sacrificing some of her more powerful psychic abilities.
 
Harry gets kicked off the bridge but stays as a recurring character. Kes stays.

Treat Seven's role more or less the same, but have less of her.

Not serialized but with more arcs. Have a series of B-stories about a group of Maquis secretly influencing events "their way" which Janeway probably wouldn't approve of.

Make Neelix suffer from depression for a whole season. Give Harry a beard.



What is RDM?
I assume he means Ronald D. Moore.
 
Hind sight is excellent.

How about we have Scorpion 1 exactly where it's supposed to be, and then season 4 is Mosaic, season 5 is Pathways, then season 6 is right back to Scorpion part 2.

But that's how Lost got cool?

Splicing in the intertwining stories of the Lostees into each weeks adventure, how they got on that plane/ship as everything was about to go horribly wrong.

Lost and Voyager.

How come it's exactly the same premiss but Lost was just way more OUTTHERE despite being set on Earth in the present?
 
I'd keep Kes and Harry. I'd still add Seven and keep her arc pretty much unchanged although I'd use the Borg much less - maybe twice.

I'd introduce more supporting regulars and have personal lives for the whole cast. I'd put some space between the crew and the Maquis - it would be too late in the show for real conflict but some differences should show.

More importantly I'd make the show less episodic - longer background story arcs, ditch the reset at the end of every episode and play on the shortages, carry over battle damage, show a hold being turned into a manufacturing centre for spares, shuttles and torpedoes.

I'd add the Equinox as an extra ship rather than destroying it, maybe with Chakotay or Tuvok as Captain and a Voyager crew, plus I'd show the Equinox crew as working on Voyager.

And I'd drop the worst episodes - you can pick them yourselves...
 
But Voyager, had no bad episodes. ;)

I'd have the crew start losing body parts.

We learnt from Nog, that it's not such a big deal, but... But after long the same leg four times, Tom is going to be doing some choice swearing.
 
I'd keep Kes and Harry. I'd still add Seven and keep her arc pretty much unchanged although I'd use the Borg much less - maybe twice.

Why use the Borg so little? There was a lot to explore with the Borg, I don't understand why people say they should be used way less.
 
They're actually quite boring, and TNG overpowered them too much. That's why they only ever used the Borg in 4 stories.

Q Who?: Q (Deus Ex Machina) introduces them to the Borg, and saved them from the Borg. It was entirely deus ex machina that drove that story.

I, Borg/Descent: A de-powered group that had none of the Borg's real strength and were little more than a bunch of cyborg-pirates.

BOBW: The only real Borg attack in the series, and they were beaten only on a technicality (trick them into "Sleep" mode which accidentally triggers a self-destruct sequence).

VOY's first two Borg stories were great (Unity and Scorpion) but the audience still didn't like either, so they got the message that "Alright, clearly effort doesn't matter to our audience so there's little point in developing our own alien enemies or putting more thought into our Borg stories. Just churn out anything that pops into your head."
 
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