"Skirt the issue". I just got that.
So...women in the new Trek series.
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I doubt that they could get away with anything like that in these days of social media.
Right. How the fuck can you get offended by this uniform?
People go out of there way to get offended nowadays.
In a time when rank is displayed clearly on the cuffs of uniform, having women in sleeveless variants suggests they won't attain any rank of significance for them to display. Wouldn't be so bad if at least one male extra in the background was seen in a sleeveless uniform as well, but without that then it does sort of give the visual impression that women are beneath men.Right. How the fuck can you get offended by this uniform?
Or that could be one interpretation.
There may yet be some hope for Star Trek Beyond, as far as rank stripes are concerned.
There may yet be some hope for Star Trek Beyond, as far as rank stripes are concerned.
I hope so.
Agreed, though there were many officers in the films that had the long sleeve variant like the male officers with rank insignia.
I know there was a photo manip out there with the rank on the cap sleeves that looked fine by me. Can't find it right off but it looked similar to this.
However, given the tendency to move towards rank pips (in every other series, as well as indicated in at least some uniforms in Beyond) ranking may go back to collar based insignia.
Also, Kirk and McCoy sported some tight wetsuits in Into Darkness there so the tradition lives on!
I'm very sorry, but I disagree with the young lady
A uniform should not define what a female character is any more than it should define what a male character is. With one exception about the female uniforms in the new movies (the sleeves should be long-sleeved like the original, with the rank piping) there's nothing wrong with them. Those are only worn on the ship and on away missions, BTW; when having to meet an higher-ranking officer formally, or for formal occasions, they wear a traditional skirt with a long-sleeved jacket, inside blouse, and a hat.
Personally, I'd prefer that both men and women wear the same long black trousers and shirt that the men wear, but Abrams, Orci, & Kurtzman wanted to be traditional, and so the uniforms are traditional to what the original show was. To paraphrase what Cat Grant said in one episode of Supergirl, if the young lady has problems with the skirts, then the problem isn't the skirt uniform, but her. As for the male skirts, again, I'm sorry, but (IMHO), no way-they didn't look good on the men the first time, and they wouldn't now (a kilt would be okay for formal occasions, I suppose, depending on the officer.)
With regards to the OP: shouldn't we wait to hear what the show's going to be about, who the characters are, and what they'll be like as people before we second guess and have expectations?
Weighing in on the topic.
Not to offend the women here or in the audience / potential future audience.
I believe there is a format here for the feminine as well as the heroine.
We cannot deny a woman's femininity nor (to put it bluntly) sex sells.
But we live in a time when female Trek fans can live through such heroines as Janeway and Sato (Mirror Universe, Empress Sato) etc.
A script I am working on now for possible future consideration involves a very strong woman Starship Captain Jada Smith who essentially caught her soon-to-be ex-husband Fleet Admiral Jackson Archer (grandson of Ambassador Jonathan Archer) with an ambitious Commander (a Janice Rand-type) assistant in a compromising situation.
Her ship (an old Battleship from the Romulan War) is about to be decommissioned, when Admiral Archer pays his estranged wife a visit aboard his old command ship. An encounter with a rogue Klingon patrol nearly destroys the mammoth starship (Archer and Smith vying for command of the situation) but emerge victorious.
They have a romantic interlude, and while nothing is resolved, the two part on more civil terms... and the ambitious commander is busted down in rank and sent to the outer territories at the insistence of Captain Smith.
Not to offend the women here or in the audience / potential future audience.
I believe there is a format here for the feminine as well as the heroine.
We cannot deny a woman's femininity nor (to put it bluntly) sex sells.
But we live in a time when female Trek fans can live through such heroines as Janeway and Sato (Mirror Universe, Empress Sato) etc.
A script I am working on now for possible future consideration involves a very strong woman Starship Captain Jada Smith who essentially caught her soon-to-be ex-husband Fleet Admiral Jackson Archer (grandson of Ambassador Jonathan Archer) with an ambitious Commander (a Janice Rand-type) assistant in a compromising situation.
Her ship (an old Battleship from the Romulan War) is about to be decommissioned, when Admiral Archer pays his estranged wife a visit aboard his old command ship. An encounter with a rogue Klingon patrol nearly destroys the mammoth starship (Archer and Smith vying for command of the situation) but emerge victorious.
They have a romantic interlude, and while nothing is resolved, the two part on more civil terms... and the ambitious commander is busted down in rank and sent to the outer territories at the insistence of Captain Smith.
No.
Seriously I have no expectations. I'm just asking the questions.
Why not? Some women aren't particularly feminine if we go by certain definitions.
Is a woman's femininity is limited to what she wears? Do we use the same test to measure if a man is 'masculine' or not?
Is it possible that by that future date the whole concept of what is 'masculine' and what is 'feminine' might have changed?
You know that for a fact? I thought the specifics were unknown at this point.
Limited no, but to a certain degree ... yes.
It's all a part of your outward projection of self, your clothing, hair, posture, walk, demeanor, facial expression, speaking style, etc.
Don't get me wrong, there more to it than that, but it is a part of the whole.
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