So which ST character do you think had the best voice?

[martok2112]

Shame Udo didn't voice Odo...

Kilana doesn't like the idea, but you do and I do, so they should have had udo as odo

? What was wrong with Odo's voice, may one ask? I have to say, I'm on Kilana2's side of the fence here . . .

Also, martok2112, how would you define a characterized voice?

Well, as was mentioned by another poster earlier, Patrick Stewart's voice and mannerisms are rather different when he gets into character as Picard.

Same thing with actors J.G. Hertzler (Martok) and the late, great John Colicos (Kor). Their character voices (at least Colicos') are very much different from their normal speaking voices. Martok's voice is very low, almost guttural, whilst Kor's has that edge of cunning and deviousness. (That same vocal style served him well as Baltar in classic BSG).

I do have a recollection that Colicos' everyday speaking voice was very different from his Kor/Baltar voice. I've never heard John Garman Hertzler speak out of character, but I presume that his normal speaking voice is also at least somewhat different...I mean, he is from Texas. (Not saying that he probably sounds stereotypically like someone from "off the horse ranch", but his speaking voice is likely different.) In "Far Beyond the Stars", Hertzler played the illustrator/artist at Benny Sisko's wrtiting shop, and he still used his Martok voice. In the episode where he played one of the lost 100 changelings (or was it 200?), he used a much different voice...smoother, laid back, nigh innocent...until he challenged a Klingon...then you heard, for an instant, his Martok voice. (In that episode, I think he was credited as Garman Hertzler.)

Watch the vignette of Star Trek: Axanar. Hertzler sounds very different. I would almost dare to say that how he speaks in that prequel, that is his normal speaking voice.

It's early, and I'm not fully awake yet.

 

[Cyke101]

^One of my favorite pop culture facts was that John Colicos voiced Apocalypse in the '92 X-Men cartoon, and to me that is *still* the definitive Apocalypse voice. Nobody could deliver those lines with the gusto Colicos brought to the table.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuVxCwNdWhg[/yt]

 

[martok2112]

John Colicos played his bad guy roles deliciously.

 

[LadyT'Anna]

Kilana doesn't like the idea, but you do and I do, so they should have had udo as odo

? What was wrong with Odo's voice, may one ask? I have to say, I'm on Kilana2's side of the fence here . . .

Also, martok2112, how would you define a characterized voice?

Well, as was mentioned by another poster earlier, Patrick Stewart's voice and mannerisms are rather different when he gets into character as Picard.

Same thing with actors J.G. Hertzler (Martok) and the late, great John Colicos (Kor). Their character voices (at least Colicos') are very much different from their normal speaking voices. Martok's voice is very low, almost guttural, whilst Kor's has that edge of cunning and deviousness. (That same vocal style served him well as Baltar in classic BSG).

I do have a recollection that Colicos' everyday speaking voice was very different from his Kor/Baltar voice. I've never heard John Garman Hertzler speak out of character, but I presume that his normal speaking voice is also at least somewhat different...I mean, he is from Texas. (Not saying that he probably sounds stereotypically like someone from "off the horse ranch", but his speaking voice is likely different.) In "Far Beyond the Stars", Hertzler played the illustrator/artist at Benny Sisko's wrtiting shop, and he still used his Martok voice. In the episode where he played one of the lost 100 changelings (or was it 200?), he used a much different voice...smoother, laid back, nigh innocent...until he challenged a Klingon...then you heard, for an instant, his Martok voice. (In that episode, I think he was credited as Garman Hertzler.)

Watch the vignette of Star Trek: Axanar. Hertzler sounds very different. I would almost dare to say that how he speaks in that prequel, that is his normal speaking voice.

It's early, and I'm not fully awake yet.

It may be early, martok2112, but your brain appears to be dancing rings around mine in the accent department. And I thought *I* had a good ear!

Forgive me for rambling on; it's just that I find this topic fascinating.

 

[Nightdiamond]

Captain Sisko. You can remember a lot of things he said simply because of his voice.

Captain Picard. He's always good, but when he goes into speech or dramatic mode, his voice is unforgettable.

Lt. Uhura. She has a calm, tranquil voice.

The female Founder. Salome Jen's voice is just interesting.

 

[LadyT'Anna]

Captain Sisko. You can remember a lot of things he said simply because of his voice.

Captain Picard. He's always good, but when he goes into speech or dramatic mode, his voice is unforgettable.

Lt. Uhura. She has a calm, tranquil voice.

Oh, yes. She'd have to, though, seeing as she has to deal with both Kirk and Scotty.

The female Founder. Salome Jen's voice is just interesting.

Indeed. Do you think, as I do, that her accent sounds faintly German?

Also, am I the only one who's noticed how certain of Spock's and Uhura's words sound British, but not all of them? (And while we're at it, would you describe Spock's voice as calm?)

 

[martok2112]

? What was wrong with Odo's voice, may one ask? I have to say, I'm on Kilana2's side of the fence here . . .

Also, martok2112, how would you define a characterized voice?

Well, as was mentioned by another poster earlier, Patrick Stewart's voice and mannerisms are rather different when he gets into character as Picard.

Same thing with actors J.G. Hertzler (Martok) and the late, great John Colicos (Kor). Their character voices (at least Colicos') are very much different from their normal speaking voices. Martok's voice is very low, almost guttural, whilst Kor's has that edge of cunning and deviousness. (That same vocal style served him well as Baltar in classic BSG).

I do have a recollection that Colicos' everyday speaking voice was very different from his Kor/Baltar voice. I've never heard John Garman Hertzler speak out of character, but I presume that his normal speaking voice is also at least somewhat different...I mean, he is from Texas. (Not saying that he probably sounds stereotypically like someone from "off the horse ranch", but his speaking voice is likely different.) In "Far Beyond the Stars", Hertzler played the illustrator/artist at Benny Sisko's wrtiting shop, and he still used his Martok voice. In the episode where he played one of the lost 100 changelings (or was it 200?), he used a much different voice...smoother, laid back, nigh innocent...until he challenged a Klingon...then you heard, for an instant, his Martok voice. (In that episode, I think he was credited as Garman Hertzler.)

Watch the vignette of Star Trek: Axanar. Hertzler sounds very different. I would almost dare to say that how he speaks in that prequel, that is his normal speaking voice.

It's early, and I'm not fully awake yet.

It may be early, martok2112, but your brain appears to be dancing rings around mine in the accent department. And I thought *I* had a good ear!

Forgive me for rambling on; it's just that I find this topic fascinating.

This is very good discussion indeed.

 

[Nightdiamond]

Captain Sisko. You can remember a lot of things he said simply because of his voice.

Captain Picard. He's always good, but when he goes into speech or dramatic mode, his voice is unforgettable.

Lt. Uhura. She has a calm, tranquil voice.

Oh, yes. She'd have to, though, seeing as she has to deal with both Kirk and Scotty.

Interesting--- there's a scene in The Naked Time (where everyone is drunk) and someone has taken over the loud speaker and Kirk is yelling at her to cut him off.

Uhura loses it and snaps back at Kirk. It was like the first time you ever see her like that, and her voice is a part of it.

The female Founder. Salome Jen's voice is just interesting.

Indeed. Do you think, as I do, that her accent sounds faintly German?

Also, am I the only one who's noticed how certain of Spock's and Uhura's words sound British, but not all of them? (And while we're at it, would you describe Spock's voice as calm?)

I didn't know this until now, but she was chosen to narrate a number of movies because of her voice. She's a voice actor too.

The way she projects her voice as the female founder, makes her intimidating.


Sometimes I can hear a slight pronouciation at the end of Uhura's/Nichelle's words.

Spock's voice?

You may find that having is not so pleasing a thing as wanting. This is not logical, but it is often true.

There's no real reason to remember this line, except the way Spock says it. And somehow, everyone remembers this line!

Spock had a calm, logical voice that stood out from the others. It made almost everything he said sound wise or memorable.

 

[LadyT'Anna]

The way she projects her voice as the female founder, makes her intimidating.

. . .

Spock had a calm, logical voice that stood out from the others. It made almost everything he said sound wise or memorable.

This is where I start wondering about the elements of a voice--what makes one seem calm and another intimidating. The low pitch of the Female Founder's voice would certainly contribute to her intimidation factor; I'd place her voice somewhere in baritone range, which is highly unusual for an actress (in what I've seen of Trek, anyway). Combine that with her accent and choice of phrasing, and you can hardly ignore her!

Which brings me to Spock, who also has a deep voice. I have this idea that he makes such a memorable impression because he speaks slowly, precisely, and formally--far more so than most people are accustomed to hearing these days, and certainly nowhere near what we would call everyday speech. TV Tropes has an excellent list of Spock's trademark speech patterns, which I believe were also used by Kang in TOS, Worf in DS9, and very likely other Klingons as well. martok2112, can you speak to this last part (and forgive the pun while you're at it? ).

An excellent discussion indeed!

 

[Bagofmostlywatr]

Shame Udo didn't voice Odo...

Kilana doesn't like the idea, but you do and I do, so they should have had udo as odo

? What was wrong with Odo's voice, may one ask? I have to say, I'm on Kilana2's side of the fence here . . .

Also, martok2112, how would you define a characterized voice?

That post was purely for silliness.

Got me thinking about the German voices now. I've only seen a few episodes, but Herr Riker is pretty good.

 

[LadyT'Anna]

Kilana doesn't like the idea, but you do and I do, so they should have had udo as odo

? What was wrong with Odo's voice, may one ask? I have to say, I'm on Kilana2's side of the fence here . . .

Also, martok2112, how would you define a characterized voice?

That post was purely for silliness.

Got me thinking about the German voices now. I've only seen a few episodes, but Herr Riker is pretty good.

Herr Riker, is it? Laughing!

 

[Kilana2]

Kilana doesn't like the idea, but you do and I do, so they should have had udo as odo

? What was wrong with Odo's voice, may one ask? I have to say, I'm on Kilana2's side of the fence here . . .

Also, martok2112, how would you define a characterized voice?

That post was purely for silliness.

Got me thinking about the German voices now. I've only seen a few episodes, but Herr Riker is pretty good.

Detlef Bierstedt was Riker's voice-actor. Physically he is quite different from Jonathan Frakes. It's just that I'm used to Bierstedt being Riker's voice. They changed his voice-actor in First Contact and I was disappointed, because it was one of the cases when you realize the change at once.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detlef_Bierstedt

 

[LadyT'Anna]

? What was wrong with Odo's voice, may one ask? I have to say, I'm on Kilana2's side of the fence here . . .

Also, martok2112, how would you define a characterized voice?

That post was purely for silliness.

Got me thinking about the German voices now. I've only seen a few episodes, but Herr Riker is pretty good.

Detlef Bierstedt was Riker's voice-actor. Physically he is quite different from Jonathan Frakes. It's just that I'm used to Bierstedt being Riker's voice. They changed his voice-actor in First Contact and I was disappointed, because it was one of the cases when you realize the change at once.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detlef_Bierstedt

Oh, dear--I know how that goes! Part of the reason I can't bring myself to watch the nuTrek movies is that Spock is no longer a young Leonard Nimoy. I simply cannot imagine a different voice for Spock, and I'm not sure I care to!

But in any case, you taught me something just now. Thank you.

 

[Catarina]

picard

 

[martok2112]

The way she projects her voice as the female founder, makes her intimidating.

. . .

Spock had a calm, logical voice that stood out from the others. It made almost everything he said sound wise or memorable.

This is where I start wondering about the elements of a voice--what makes one seem calm and another intimidating. The low pitch of the Female Founder's voice would certainly contribute to her intimidation factor; I'd place her voice somewhere in baritone range, which is highly unusual for an actress (in what I've seen of Trek, anyway). Combine that with her accent and choice of phrasing, and you can hardly ignore her!

Which brings me to Spock, who also has a deep voice. I have this idea that he makes such a memorable impression because he speaks slowly, precisely, and formally--far more so than most people are accustomed to hearing these days, and certainly nowhere near what we would call everyday speech. TV Tropes has an excellent list of Spock's trademark speech patterns, which I believe were also used by Kang in TOS, Worf in DS9, and very likely other Klingons as well. martok2112, can you speak to this last part (and forgive the pun while you're at it? ).

An excellent discussion indeed!

The pun is forgiven. But keep in mind, one who would pun would pick a pocket. (So, that makes me one hell of a pilferer. )

I'm afraid my brain is even mushier than the first time I spoke on this....please forgive my reticence.

 

[LadyT'Anna]

The way she projects her voice as the female founder, makes her intimidating.

. . .

Spock had a calm, logical voice that stood out from the others. It made almost everything he said sound wise or memorable.

This is where I start wondering about the elements of a voice--what makes one seem calm and another intimidating. The low pitch of the Female Founder's voice would certainly contribute to her intimidation factor; I'd place her voice somewhere in baritone range, which is highly unusual for an actress (in what I've seen of Trek, anyway). Combine that with her accent and choice of phrasing, and you can hardly ignore her!

Which brings me to Spock, who also has a deep voice. I have this idea that he makes such a memorable impression because he speaks slowly, precisely, and formally--far more so than most people are accustomed to hearing these days, and certainly nowhere near what we would call everyday speech. TV Tropes has an excellent list of Spock's trademark speech patterns, which I believe were also used by Kang in TOS, Worf in DS9, and very likely other Klingons as well. martok2112, can you speak to this last part (and forgive the pun while you're at it? ).

An excellent discussion indeed!

The pun is forgiven. But keep in mind, one who would pun would pick a pocket. (So, that makes me one hell of a pilferer. )

I'm afraid my brain is even mushier than the first time I spoke on this....please forgive my reticence.

There is nothing to forgive, martok2112; it's quite all right. I declare, this long week must be a collective phenomenon!

As for puns, pickpockets, and pilferers, I dimly recall a nursery rhyme that refers to a pocketful of rye . . . maybe the writer really meant to say "wry."

Come to think of it, quite a bit of Spock's speech sounds wry, but that may just be his facility for understatement talking.

 

[maneth]

TOS:
Spock. That logical, unemotional delivery is quite something.
Scotty. One of the better fake accents out there. I bet Doohan sounded quite different when he wasn't in character.

TNG:
Picard. I'm just glad they didn't give him a fake French accent! What little French we hear him speak sounds very British-French indeed... (That said, I wish they had given us an in-universe explanation for the accent and for his British mannerisms and tastes, my pet theory is that he got sent to a British boarding school for some part of his early education, although I have no evidence whatever to support it.)
Worf. That deep bass voice combined with the precise delivery of his lines, quite unique.

DS9:
Female Changeling. One of the few truly terrifying female voices out there.
Dr. Bashir. A pleasant voice and accent. I'd listen to him reciting the phone book...

It's been a while since I last saw either VOY or ENT, but Kes and Trip had pleasant voices.

 

[danny]

Tie between Thy'lek Shran and Weyoun. I mean, they're the same guy, but yeah.

 

[LadyT'Anna]

Tie between Thy'lek Shran and Weyoun. I mean, they're the same guy, but yeah.

It's to the actor's credit that he can portray both Weyoun's insinuation and Shran's directness with such ease. Certainly vocal delivery has a part to play in the transformation.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

Shame Udo didn't voice Odo...

Kilana doesn't like the idea, but you do and I do, so they should have had udo as odo

? What was wrong with Odo's voice, may one ask?

Dunno, haven't listened to many of the dubs

Just figured a guy named Udo would be a nice fit for voicing a guy named Odo...

Also, am I the only one who's noticed how certain of Spock's and Uhura's words sound British, but not all of them?

Never noticed that about Nichelle Nichols, but Nimoy did say he started off giving Spock a slightly British edge to his voice, which you can definitely hear in the two pilots. Beyond that, well, he was a Bostonian...