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So what's up with the trailer Enterprise proportions?

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Hi Cary,I understand what ur saying,but its obvious we cannot have brochures or take pictures,its too early for them to show everything,its a trade show,I said before that ive been to the toyfair.
People are annoyed because they cant see the stuff,I would be too,we just dont want any legal stuf thrown are way,most fans dont care,they want the stuf yesterday,most stuf u see,such as quinto in a carpark or c.pine coming out of a soundstage is out of focus,or not on the property,so its public domain.
Now,if u go to trade fair,or studio etc,and take photos,ur opening a can of woop ass!I have gone into great detail so as to shorten the amount of questions asked,was met with thanks 4 info,to who is this guy,hes talking crap!I want photos too,or better still,the friggin toys and movie now!and I DONT HAVE THE PICS,so it aint "I GOT THEM AND U HAVNT,NAH,NAH"THING AT ALL
 
^ The Shat?
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No, they've spent a great deal of effort trying to dispel any fan hopes/assumptions about Shatner making an appearance. I think they'd want people to know he's in it if he really had a part.

The ship is a different story, though. I still think it unlikely but possible that one of their intentions with the teaser trailer was to set up a big surprise of the beloved 1701 showing up in the film.
 
^^ I actually wouldn't rule this out either. Part of it may just be wishful thinking as I would love to see something closer to the original in this movie, but I also can't help wondering why they would supposedly be so authentic to the uiniforms, of all things, and then totally redesign the ship. Maybe what we saw in the teaser is the "kick-ass" alternate timeline version there have been rumors about and the "real" version will look much more like the classic design.

But honestly, I'm really not that bothered by the teaser version. I'm just jazzed to see Star Trek getting the red carpet cinematic treatment basically for the first time since TMP. :thumbsup:
 
Like someone in another thread said: maybe this isn't a definitive, finalized effects shot from the film and just something to whet our appetites. Maybe the proportions of the Enterprise are a little off-kilter since this model was designed solely for a teaser trailer where little detail would be seen?
 
Nah, this is the version of the Enterprise that's intended to match the TOS one - the "battleship" version will be quite a bit different. ;)
 
Remember the launch scene in Lost In Space? The Jupiter 2 looks like the classic flying saucer from the TV show. Then when it gets into Earth orbit, this is revealed to be just a shell that is jettisoned after launch, revealing the "real" ship, a souped up modern blob designed for the big screen.

So maybe the opposite will happen in STXI. The Enterprise first be revealed as the clunky aztek-paneled, fat-nacelled steampunk thing we see in the teaser, but when it hits warp, all the doo-dads will fall off like chunks of ice from a Saturn V, revealing the sleek grey girl we know and love :D
 
Has it occurred to anyone that Abrams, knowing who we are and how we think, showed us an intentionally distorted image of the ship? Perhaps he's showing us something inaccurate in order to make us freak out and and analyze and keep us talking about it and hungry for fresh meat in the form of other shots from other angles and indeed a full reveal of the old girl.
 
Dale Hoppert said:
Has it occurred to anyone that Abrams, knowing who we are and how we think, showed us an intentionally distorted image of the ship? Perhaps he's showing us something inaccurate in order to make us freak out and and analyze and keep us talking about it and hungry for fresh meat in the form of other shots from other angles and indeed a full reveal of the old girl.
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Yeah- on page 3. "JJ probably thought it would promote discussion- i.e. give us something to yak about until the next bit of info comes out."
 
debush24 said:does any one know how long pike is in the movie or what causes the take over from pike to kirk?
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Well, look... people who've never served sometimes miss this, but despite the tendency of Trek (latter-day Trek, I mean, not TOS during it's initial run) to show crews staying together like FAMILY for their entire lives, real military service is nothing like that at all.

During my time serving, and not counting my time in training, I served in four "permanent" assignments and one temporary detached position. And that's in just a bit more than four years.

Here's how it works. You're supposed to change jobs every 8-10 months. If you're good, that's what'll happen. If you're bad, nobody will want to take you and so you'll end up staying wherever you landed last, until enough folks above you change roles that the guy leading you manages to foist you off onto some other unsuspecting sucker. ;)

Now, TOS did this quite well... including having Kevin Riley transferred to an Operations position on the bridge from Engineering, having Sulu transferred from Science to Operations, Chekov transferred from Operations to Security, and so forth. And talking about how different characters had served on other ships previously or held other off-ship assignments, too.

SO... why did Kirk take over from Pike? Because that's how things work in real life... Pike got a transfer because it was TIME for him to get a transfer. His transfer, evidently, came along with a promotion, not by a full grade, but to a "half-grade" step called "Fleet Captain" (probably meaning he was on the promotion list to the Admiralty).

Had Pike not been crippled, he would eventually have been the guy Kirk would have been getting orders from. He was running training (similarly to how Kirk ran training for a while) and he would probably have held a position at the Operations Division (where they plan, but not where they make DECISIONS... Chief of Operations, like Kirk was, is not the guy who's in charge of Starfleet, you see).

Eventually, Pike would likely have had a good shot at making Starfleet Chief of Staff, reporting to the civilian President of the Federation. Which might have eventually been where Kirk would have ended up, too, had he been the sort who could have accepted that sort of thing.

My point is that transfers in the military don't need explanation at all. They just happen, it's part of life. It's the people who DON'T get transfers who need to have an explanation for what's wrong...
 
Cary L. Brown said:
debush24 said:does any one know how long pike is in the movie or what causes the take over from pike to kirk?
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Well, look... people who've never served sometimes miss this, but despite the tendency of Trek (latter-day Trek, I mean, not TOS during it's initial run) to show crews staying together like FAMILY for their entire lives, real military service is nothing like that at all.

During my time serving, and not counting my time in training, I served in four "permanent" assignments and one temporary detached position. And that's in just a bit more than four years.
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I once made up a list of commanders for NCC-1701, based on the list of names Roddenberry had considered for his captain character, and given command durations like those of the COs of CVAN-65. Based on the original (from TMoST) age of the Enterprise in TOS (40 years) there would have been 15 different captains before Kirk with both April and Pike having two short tours.

Most of the carrier's skippers served for two years max.
 
"And they still make more sense and contribute more than Tomato's constant spamming. So I don't mind too much."

I said the Starfleet officer uniforms we would get would be close to the "The Cage" uniforms.

"Ohhh that's bulllsh*t!!!!"

We got uniforms that are all department color.

I said we were getting something close to Gabe's Enterprise.

"Ohhh that's bulllsh*t!!!!"

We got a design close to Gabe's Enterprise.

That's spam tm. Sure whatever. :rolleyes:

Wait til Nyota is shown wearing pants. :D
 
aridas sofia said:
Cary L. Brown said:
debush24 said:does any one know how long pike is in the movie or what causes the take over from pike to kirk?
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Well, look... people who've never served sometimes miss this, but despite the tendency of Trek (latter-day Trek, I mean, not TOS during it's initial run) to show crews staying together like FAMILY for their entire lives, real military service is nothing like that at all.

During my time serving, and not counting my time in training, I served in four "permanent" assignments and one temporary detached position. And that's in just a bit more than four years.
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I once made up a list of commanders for NCC-1701, based on the list of names Roddenberry had considered for his captain character, and given command durations like those of the COs of CVAN-65. Based on the original (from TMoST) age of the Enterprise in TOS (40 years) there would have been 15 different captains before Kirk with both April and Pike having two short tours.

Most of the carrier's skippers served for two years max.
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Exactly right. And there's a REASON for that... beyond simple "promotions." You do NOT need to get promoted to get reassigned, in other words (despite Ancient's bit-o-funny above! ;) )

The military is very much about DISCIPLINE. (And yes, I see Starfleet as being very much analogous to any other navy, and thus as a military system. If you want to debate THAT point, let's start another thread in "general trek" or whatever.) When people get TOO familiar, discipline starts falling apart. It's inevitable.

We've all seen "good old boys networks." They exist in schools (cliques). They exist in business. They exist in every place where people tend to form long-term connections to other people. It's GREAT... if you happen to be on good terms with the "in crowd." If you're not... it's not so good, is it?

The military doesn't work if you have that sort of thing going on. So it has a wide variety of tools to keep people in leadership positions from developing personal ties to those who are subordinate to them.

There's the rule against "fraternization," which (despite public impressions) is not just about sex. It meant that, as a military officer, I couldn't go out and hang out regularly with an NCO who reported to me, outside of work, because that would have left an impression of "favoritism" with the other folks who I would NOT have been drinking beer with every weekend. I certainly couldn't go catch a flick with one of the junior enlisted folks reporting to me, and GOD HELP ME if I'd dated a woman within my organization... that would have resulted in immediate disciplinary action against me.

The idea of TIES is bad, because once a leader has a special tie to a subordinate, he (or she) can never treat that person as being on the same level as everyone else again. So the military is built around discouraging anyone with any authority from developing ANY connection to anyone subordinate to them.

That's also why people are transferred so frequently. A ship captain who knows his crew on a purely professional basis will treat them more equitably than someone who is "best buds" with a little clique among his crew. He'll get more respect from the entire crew. And he'll be able to ask exactly the same from every member of his crew, with no one getting "special favors" or even having the APPEARANCE of getting such favors from him.

Two years is right for a senior leader... because that person already knows that he needs to avoid getting close to his crew. More junior officers are moved MUCH more frequently, as are NCOs.

TOS played with this very issue, with Dr. Helen Noel. Kirk flirted, just a LITTLE BIT, with a member of his crew (hey, it was CHRISTMAS, right?) and as a result she thought she deserved special treatment.

I'm sure that her transfer orders were completed within MINUTES of Kirk getting back aboard the ship! ;)
 
Holytomato said:
"And they still make more sense and contribute more than Tomato's constant spamming. So I don't mind too much."

I said the Starfleet officer uniforms we would get would be close to the "The Cage" uniforms.

"Ohhh that's bulllsh*t!!!!"

We got uniforms that are all department color.

I said we were getting something close to Gabe's Enterprise.

"Ohhh that's bulllsh*t!!!!"

We got a design close to Gabe's Enterprise.

That's spam tm. Sure whatever. :rolleyes:

Wait til Nyota is shown wearing pants. :D
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It's not about what you say. It's about how you say it. Like you're always trying to pick a fight. I just don't get that...
 
Holytomato said:

We got uniforms that are all department color.
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Based on various reports including those from the U.K. Toy Fair, we're getting *lots of different uniforms.* It's hard to tell which will go with what setting and era, other than that the versions that are apparently elaborated TOS-inspired outfits most likely will be seen on the Enterprise.
 
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