So what events from the prime trekverse are unaffected by the reboot?
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None of which changes the fact that subsequent canon FOLLOWING the movie can be considered a clean slate.
OTOH, from the exact same link,
Orci may have been right and it could have worked, canon or no canon; in either case, it is still an artifact of prime universe and is not a determined future for the rebooted timeline. To wit: Spock will never take that mission to Romulus now, because he no longer has a planet to represent as an ambassador and the events in Unification Probably will never happen. Likewise, even if Spock had given Kirk's message to his younger self, that version of Kirk no longer exists, because the two men--while genetically identical--have very different backgrounds and histories and undoubtedly different experiences in command of the Enterprise, all other events being equal.
So what we are left with is the canon of the prime universe and the total clean slate of the new one. Events from the prime universe are not guaranteed to occur in the new one and--unless someone creates another prime universe production--canon is now clear.
None of which changes the fact that subsequent canon FOLLOWING the movie can be considered a clean slate.
OTOH, from the exact same link,
Orci may have been right and it could have worked, canon or no canon; in either case, it is still an artifact of prime universe and is not a determined future for the rebooted timeline. To wit: Spock will never take that mission to Romulus now, because he no longer has a planet to represent as an ambassador and the events in Unification Probably will never happen. Likewise, even if Spock had given Kirk's message to his younger self, that version of Kirk no longer exists, because the two men--while genetically identical--have very different backgrounds and histories and undoubtedly different experiences in command of the Enterprise, all other events being equal.
So what we are left with is the canon of the prime universe and the total clean slate of the new one. Events from the prime universe are not guaranteed to occur in the new one and--unless someone creates another prime universe production--canon is now clear.
Re: So what events from the prime trekverse are unaffected by the rebo
But it means that for example Klingons need to look like Klingons, etc... even in this "new" universe and can't easily be redesigned. Because this new series of movies is not a full reboot. It's a canon mirror universe story.
But it means that for example Klingons need to look like Klingons, etc... even in this "new" universe and can't easily be redesigned. Because this new series of movies is not a full reboot. It's a canon mirror universe story.
Re: So what events from the prime trekverse are unaffected by the rebo
That's a tad silly, innit? It's a reboot, not a bastardization. Just because "The Dark Knight" takes place in a timeline where Bruce Wayne's parents weren't killed by the joker doesn't mean the Joker can look like Daryl Hanna in a hot pink catsuit with deck of cards that shoots poisoned darts every time she says the word "Basingstroke." It's still Batman, just rebooted.
This is still Star Trek, it's just rebooted. The writers can pick and choose anything they want from canon, change it around, redesign it slightly, tinker with order or events, link things that were never linked or separate things that used to be related. They can have Khan become the military dictator of Cardassia and launch a war against the Federation, or they can have Nomad become one of V'ger's MANY traveling companions and the Federation now has to deal with a race of malevolent self-replicating killer probes (sorta like Star Control-II). Or they can do NONE of these things and do something completely new, ignoring canon completely.
Because it's a reboot in an alternate timeline. The new timeline can contain anything they want.
That's a tad silly, innit? It's a reboot, not a bastardization. Just because "The Dark Knight" takes place in a timeline where Bruce Wayne's parents weren't killed by the joker doesn't mean the Joker can look like Daryl Hanna in a hot pink catsuit with deck of cards that shoots poisoned darts every time she says the word "Basingstroke." It's still Batman, just rebooted.
This is still Star Trek, it's just rebooted. The writers can pick and choose anything they want from canon, change it around, redesign it slightly, tinker with order or events, link things that were never linked or separate things that used to be related. They can have Khan become the military dictator of Cardassia and launch a war against the Federation, or they can have Nomad become one of V'ger's MANY traveling companions and the Federation now has to deal with a race of malevolent self-replicating killer probes (sorta like Star Control-II). Or they can do NONE of these things and do something completely new, ignoring canon completely.
Because it's a reboot in an alternate timeline. The new timeline can contain anything they want.
Re: So what events from the prime trekverse are unaffected by the rebo
They pretty much redesigned the Klingons in each film, so yeah they can.
Re: So what events from the prime trekverse are unaffected by the rebo
Not really. The only real redesign was in the first movie.
Everything that followed were just minor changes.
I just hope they don't redesign the Klingons with masks and trenchcoats. Because that would be crap.
Not really. The only real redesign was in the first movie.
Everything that followed were just minor changes.
I just hope they don't redesign the Klingons with masks and trenchcoats. Because that would be crap.
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I'd think that those items would be more peculiar to the Rura Penthe setting -- the trenchcoats because of the constant extreme low temperatures and the helmets as the Klingon version of a combination miner's hard hat and riot police headgear, appropriate for working in underground chambers and dilithium mines populated with the worst and most violent inmates in the Klingon prison system. If we see the Klingons, away from the ice-planet prison setting (and I'm not implying that we really need to see Klingons ever again) let's say I'd be very surprised if they were each and every one wearing trenchcoats and ridged helmets.
Nowhere Man
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Re: So what events from the prime trekverse are unaffected by the rebo
I have to respectfully disagree with the notion that this alternate universe is now the prime universe, they are teo seperate universes. The prime universe continues with the destruction of Romulus and Spock missing. The alternate universe began with the destruction of the Kelvin and continues from the end of the movie. Yes, it's true that nothing from now on has to play out as it did from TOS and beyond, but in parrallel universe or alternate theories the people in that universe would most likeley be the same. Klingons, for example would notbe a lizard lke race , they would be pretty much the same. Since Enterprise is the only thing from the prime universe that is canon , one vould argue that because the voyager probe would be about the only thing that would repeat it's self because it was sent out before the destruction of the Kelvin.
I have to respectfully disagree with the notion that this alternate universe is now the prime universe, they are teo seperate universes. The prime universe continues with the destruction of Romulus and Spock missing. The alternate universe began with the destruction of the Kelvin and continues from the end of the movie. Yes, it's true that nothing from now on has to play out as it did from TOS and beyond, but in parrallel universe or alternate theories the people in that universe would most likeley be the same. Klingons, for example would notbe a lizard lke race , they would be pretty much the same. Since Enterprise is the only thing from the prime universe that is canon , one vould argue that because the voyager probe would be about the only thing that would repeat it's self because it was sent out before the destruction of the Kelvin.
Re: So what events from the prime trekverse are unaffected by the rebo
The debate is whether existing elements of Prime-timeline canon can or should creep into this new universe.
Nobody said that did they? Everyone is saying that this universe is a canonical alternate universe of the Prime timeline much like the Mirror Universe.
The debate is whether existing elements of Prime-timeline canon can or should creep into this new universe.
Nowhere Man
Commodore
Re: So what events from the prime trekverse are unaffected by the rebo
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Re: So what events from the prime trekverse are unaffected by the rebo
The events of Spock's Brain still take place...only with better production values -- and naturally with gore included as prerequisite for new millennium films that might include a storyline such as this. (no ripping, no tearing, no bleeding? Not in this new millennium version! It's gore galore!) Natalie Portman plays Kara the Imorg and Mila Kunis plays Lt. Luma the Imorg (Kara's evil second in command). The surface Morg is played by Ashton Kutcher. "Dude...your words...say, like, nothing!" and "Dude...like what's a "Women"? Stop going mental on me..."
in this version, the Imorgs wear chrome fabric thong bikinis and have prosthetic bumps on their noggins to make them more "alien" in appearance. They also now sport sexy new jagged Ferengi-like teeth.
And since this would be a PG-13 version, there are scenes containing explicit "Pain and Delight".
Imorg assassins hunt down Spock Prime in their Ion-Fighters to kill him so he won't change the timeline for Young Spock. The Imorgs also contemplate getting a "two-for-one deal" on Vulcan brains...but decide...Spock. Must. Die.
LOL!!!
Long story short. This happened.
Oh yes. You read it here!
The events of Spock's Brain still take place...only with better production values -- and naturally with gore included as prerequisite for new millennium films that might include a storyline such as this. (no ripping, no tearing, no bleeding? Not in this new millennium version! It's gore galore!) Natalie Portman plays Kara the Imorg and Mila Kunis plays Lt. Luma the Imorg (Kara's evil second in command). The surface Morg is played by Ashton Kutcher. "Dude...your words...say, like, nothing!" and "Dude...like what's a "Women"? Stop going mental on me..."
in this version, the Imorgs wear chrome fabric thong bikinis and have prosthetic bumps on their noggins to make them more "alien" in appearance. They also now sport sexy new jagged Ferengi-like teeth.
And since this would be a PG-13 version, there are scenes containing explicit "Pain and Delight".
Imorg assassins hunt down Spock Prime in their Ion-Fighters to kill him so he won't change the timeline for Young Spock. The Imorgs also contemplate getting a "two-for-one deal" on Vulcan brains...but decide...Spock. Must. Die.
LOL!!!
Long story short. This happened.
Oh yes. You read it here!
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Re: So what events from the prime trekverse are unaffected by the rebo
LOL I was going to put "nobody is saying that... unless your name is newtype_alpha".
Nowhere Man
Commodore
Re: So what events from the prime trekverse are unaffected by the rebo
Well I guess we're on the same page then
Well I guess we're on the same page then
Re: So what events from the prime trekverse are unaffected by the rebo
You have single ridges, multiple ridges, spiney ridges and plate like ridges. Sometimes they all look the same sometime each klingon character's ridges are unique. Sometimes they have the pointy teeth, sometimes not.
The make up was constantly being redesigned.
You have single ridges, multiple ridges, spiney ridges and plate like ridges. Sometimes they all look the same sometime each klingon character's ridges are unique. Sometimes they have the pointy teeth, sometimes not.
Re: So what events from the prime trekverse are unaffected by the rebo
In Universe...
Except for Worf, all these examples can be very easily explained by simple genetic differences in a very large population of diverse beings.
As for Worf, it could be surmised that as a Klingon ages, the brow ridges continue to grow and change, thus the characters evolving look.
If I remember correctly, as the character of Alexander (Worf's son) aged during the years, his ridges grew and evolved also.
The make up was constantly being redesigned.
You have single ridges, multiple ridges, spiney ridges and plate like ridges. Sometimes they all look the same sometime each Klingon character's ridges are unique. Sometimes they have the pointy teeth, sometimes not.
In Universe...
Except for Worf, all these examples can be very easily explained by simple genetic differences in a very large population of diverse beings.
As for Worf, it could be surmised that as a Klingon ages, the brow ridges continue to grow and change, thus the characters evolving look.
If I remember correctly, as the character of Alexander (Worf's son) aged during the years, his ridges grew and evolved also.
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Did either actor wear Prosthetic make up to become Kirk?
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LOL. Michael Dorn in two different make ups as two different Klingon characters proves that they were only adding variety to the Klingon ridges, they were not redesigning the Klingons. And I love how the basic lines of Col. Worf's "ridges" resembles TNG Worf's ridges.
And then that's not what I meant when I said "You can't redesign Klingons in this universe". TeutonicKnights got the point, you didn't, Nerys Myk.
LOL. Michael Dorn in two different make ups as two different Klingon characters proves that they were only adding variety to the Klingon ridges, they were not redesigning the Klingons. And I love how the basic lines of Col. Worf's "ridges" resembles TNG Worf's ridges.
And then that's not what I meant when I said "You can't redesign Klingons in this universe". TeutonicKnights got the point, you didn't, Nerys Myk.
