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So what are you reading now? (Part 3)

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Finished Ex Machina, which was good.
But… why was Janice’s child’s father changed from being Kirk? Why dredge up an obscure reference from an 80’s novel like that just to change/discredit the jist of it?

Well, first off, The Captain's Daughter never actually said Kirk was the father, just that it was someone who was dead as of 2293, and that Rand hadn't told him about the baby because she felt he had a great destiny and didn't want to sidetrack his career. Absolutely nothing is revealed about the father beyond that, not even whether he was in Starfleet. So strictly speaking I didn't change anything, just elaborated on that information in a way that ruled out Kirk. Of course the implication was that it might have been Kirk, but I believe it would've been completely out of character for Kirk to do something as unethical as sleeping with a woman under his direct command. TOS made it pretty clear that Kirk wouldn't even let himself look at Janice in that way so long as she was a member of his crew. Despite the modern caricature of Kirk as a creature of impulse who slept with anything in a skirt, the truth was that TOS, especially in the first season, depicted him as a serious, duty-driven military man whose discipline always overrode his desires except when he was under artificial influence, and sometimes even then.


I also finished The Best and the Brightest. It’d picked up a third though and was mostly enjoyable, although most of the cadets came across like pampered rich kids.

By the standards of our culture, most Federation citizens would seem pampered and rich, just as the average middle-class person today would seem pampered and rich to a medieval peasant (heck, even a feudal lord wouldn't have lived as well in a lot of ways).
 
Well, first off, The Captain's Daughter never actually said Kirk was the father, just that it was someone who was dead as of 2293, and that Rand hadn't told him about the baby because she felt he had a great destiny and didn't want to sidetrack his career. Absolutely nothing is revealed about the father beyond that, not even whether he was in Starfleet. So strictly speaking I didn't change anything, just elaborated on that information in a way that ruled out Kirk. Of course the implication was that it might have been Kirk, but I believe it would've been completely out of character for Kirk to do something as unethical as sleeping with a woman under his direct command. TOS made it pretty clear that Kirk wouldn't even let himself look at Janice in that way so long as she was a member of his crew. Despite the modern caricature of Kirk as a creature of impulse who slept with anything in a skirt, the truth was that TOS, especially in the first season, depicted him as a serious, duty-driven military man whose discipline always overrode his desires except when he was under artificial influence, and sometimes even then.

In terms of Kirk being the father of Rand's baby, wasn't the implication there that Kirk may have forced himself on Rand when he was split into a "good" kirk and a "bad" kirk in the TOS season 1 episode The Enemy Within? He was the Captain, but at that point wasn't in his right mind so it could have happened. Wasn't that the implication?
 
I enjoyed the other two stories in Myriad Universes: Infinity's Prism, but as I expected not quite as much as the first one.

I'll read Echoes And Refractions later. I want to pace myself with Trek books so I don't burn out on them. Right now it's on to The Gods of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs after listening to the audiobook of A Princess of Mars.
 
In terms of Kirk being the father of Rand's baby, wasn't the implication there that Kirk may have forced himself on Rand when he was split into a "good" kirk and a "bad" kirk in the TOS season 1 episode The Enemy Within? He was the Captain, but at that point wasn't in his right mind so it could have happened. Wasn't that the implication?

Impossible. This was 1960s TV, remember. There's no way they would've shown the assault go that far. Evil Kirk manhandled Rand and forced a kiss on her, she scratched his face, she ran out into the corridor and saw Fisher, she told him to call Spock, and Evil Kirk ran after Fisher and knocked him out. It was an attempted rape, but the emphasis is on "attempted." He didn't even have time to loosen her clothes.
 
Reading Treks Not Taken ed.- Stephen Boyett. Short tales written in the syles of various famous/literary authors. Spoofs based in the Next Generation epoch, if you will. Quite fun-forgot I had it and dug it out of a box over the weekend.
 
In terms of Kirk being the father of Rand's baby, wasn't the implication there that Kirk may have forced himself on Rand when he was split into a "good" kirk and a "bad" kirk in the TOS season 1 episode The Enemy Within? He was the Captain, but at that point wasn't in his right mind so it could have happened. Wasn't that the implication?

Impossible. This was 1960s TV, remember. There's no way they would've shown the assault go that far. Evil Kirk manhandled Rand and forced a kiss on her, she scratched his face, she ran out into the corridor and saw Fisher, she told him to call Spock, and Evil Kirk ran after Fisher and knocked him out. It was an attempted rape, but the emphasis is on "attempted." He didn't even have time to loosen her clothes.

OK. I'm not saying that the rape happened on screen or anything. What I was saying was that I thought that it was implied in a novel (not sure which one) that this is possibly what happened. If they were nervous about an inter-racial kiss in the 60's, then rape would have been out the window. Even as a topic it would have been iffy...
 
^Nope, the only mention of Rand having a child was in The Captain's Daughter (and of course Ex Machina, which refers back to that book), and there was absolutely nothing there to suggest that the child was the result of rape.
 
I'm about to start reading David Mack's The 4400: Promises Broken. It might not be Star Trek but I'm still expecting a huge death toll.

As I recall, you will not be disappointed! :)

David: I promise I won't kill you all.
The 4400: Okay, thanks dude.

(The book comes out.)

The 4400: Hey! You said you wouldn't kill us!
David: Well, it is called Promises Broken...
I'm almost halfway through I think

NTAC has just been evac-ed and the team have Marco'd themselves back to the airport. A quake has leveled CA and all hell is breaking loose.
 
^I've never read the book (or seen the show, for that matter). I was just making a joke based on the number 4400 and David's penchant for killing off characters. Probably goes without saying, but still. :)
 
Well, a lot of the 4400 did get killed off over the course of the series, and their numbers (depending on how you define them) were greatly increased in the last couple of seasons. Rarely has a show's title been rendered so completely obsolete in the course of its run. (Although one could make a case for Smallville, which is set mostly in Metropolis now.)
 
Well, a lot of the 4400 did get killed off over the course of the series, and their numbers (depending on how you define them) were greatly increased in the last couple of seasons. Rarely has a show's title been rendered so completely obsolete in the course of its run. (Although one could make a case for Smallville, which is set mostly in Metropolis now.)


Well, "THE 4400 PLUS A WHOLE LOT MORE" doesn't have quite the same ring to it . . . .

Something I wanted to get into in the books, but never really had to chance to do so, was to establish some sort of tension between the original 4400 and all the later Positives. I could see where you might get some sort of schism there . . . .
 
While on the topic of The 4400, I just wanted to ask if we know for sure yet if Promises Broken will be the last book? I only ask because I was flipping through it a couple nights ago, and I saw that it said the end of the first saga of the 4400, instead of just the end.
 
If it sells really well, it won't be the last book. If it doesn't, it will be. That's how you do things like this -- you prepare for both possibilities. You give enough closure to work as an ending if that's all you get, but you leave enough wiggle room to allow a continuation if you get the chance.
 
Well, as it turns out I can't read The Gods of Mars off Project Gutenberg like I wanted to. The original plan was to print out the text so I would be able to take it with me wherever, but the printer's run out of paper and I don't know when we'll have a chance to pick up some more. So I've gone to the anthology Constellations instead. I remember the stories as being fantastic, so I'll see how they hold up.
 
I’m now reading Captain’s Blood. Kirk has a mutant hermaphrodite child. The apex of Shatnerverse insanity has officially been reached. I’m not sure how to react.

Oh yeah – the child is also the Reman Jesus.

Obviously.

This honestly makes me want to read these books WAY more. That sounds hilarious.
 
Starfist-Wings of Hell-Futuristic stories of the Marines in action. Huge campaign building up against the first starfaring race Humanity has encountered.

Sure would like to know why they are so pissed off, though.
 
If it sells really well, it won't be the last book. If it doesn't, it will be. That's how you do things like this -- you prepare for both possibilities. You give enough closure to work as an ending if that's all you get, but you leave enough wiggle room to allow a continuation if you get the chance.
I understand that. What I was wanting to know was if the sales were high enough to continue the series.
 
Currently reading Treat Me Like Dirt: An Oral History Of Punk In Toronto And Beyond: 1977-1981 by Liz Worth. I was nowhere near Toronto back then, so the only band in the book I ever saw live was Teenage Head (in Halifax in 1981). Still, having picked up various albums over the years, and the DVD of The Last Pogo, I'm enjoying this so far. Sounds like Toronto was a very different place thirty years ago.
 
Chindi by James McDevitt, which feels strangely Trek-ish despite being set in a universe where there are (so far) no known aliens.
 
Chindi by James McDevitt, which feels strangely Trek-ish despite being set in a universe where there are (so far) no known aliens.
I've read some other McDevitt books, and there are sorta-aliens in one or two of them, like Engines of God or something.

Think I might read them again if I can find them.
 
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