IIRC the Katric Arks were also mentioned in the Vulcan arc from Enterprise.
So this "Katra" thing seems like a raw deal for a lot of Vulcans.
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IIRC the Katric Arks were also mentioned in the Vulcan arc from Enterprise.
Is that the delightful series where David Mack and the people at Simon & Schuster kill off a third of the people in the Federation?
No thanks, doesn't sound like my cup of tea.
Is that the delightful series where David Mack and the people at Simon & Schuster kill off a third of the people in the Federation?
No thanks, doesn't sound like my cup of tea.
Aren't the novels at this point mostly about wars, conspiracies, small-universe syndrome, and shipping all the characters that the TV shows never bothered to beyond "will they, won't they"?
Wars and conspiracies - no, there's still exploration and ethical issues, too. But there's definitely enough of both of those as a backdrop.
Small-universe syndrome - What, you mean like having the Romulan commander running the plot that the Enterprise has to stop be the daughter of an officer who used to be on the ship, while the guy running around on Romulus inciting change is also from the crew of a previous starship Enterprise? Or like having Jadzia Dax personally know the three Klingon commanders Kirk faced off against in TOS? Or the time nuScotty got in trouble for a transporter accident involving Archer's dog? I'm going to say, yes, there's *a little*, but no more so than has been standard for Trek the whole time.
Shipping - I haven't seen any shipping in the novels that didn't flow naturally to me out of what we saw in series, or that didn't involve relationships with new characters that seem fairly normal. Picard/Crusher - they had been married in "All Good Things", so no surprise there. Riker/Troi - we saw their wedding in Nemesis. Bashir/Dax and Bashir/Sarina - both logically follow what was seen onscreen on DS9. The only new relationship that's a bit strange is Wesley and the hyperintelligent shade of the color blue he has been going out with - but he was hanging out with The Traveller and phasing in and out of normal spacetime, so I guess it isn't that odd if you really think about it.
Sorry to double-post. But I'd have to say that if the newer novels aren't true to the series in any way, it is generally in ways where the novels are superior and can do more than shows that were restricted by budgets. We have more ships that we're following, with their own crews (Titan, Aventine, da Vinci, Excalibur, Robinson, Atlas, Voyager, Defiant, and of course Enterprise - and I may be forgetting one or two at the moment), we're getting to see more of what goes on behind the scenes with the politics and homeworlds of the Federation and its allies and adversaries, we're getting more types of ships of all varieties, and we're getting more aliens - especially more aliens (crew and otherwise) of definitely NON-funny-forehead types.
What's not to love?
What's not to love?
I have to admit that I haven't bothered with an Enterprise book since "The Good That Men Do", and I've pretty much stopped reading TOS era Prime Trek stuff unless it crosses over with the post-Nemesis stuff. I love Kirk, Spock, and the rest, but the big threats that were so good in books like "The Three-Minute Universe" are hard to get worked up over when we know the universe, the Milky Way, and the Federation all make it to the 25th century.
It's a good point, though - the universe in the novels is even bigger and more involved than *I* was relating.
Read Destiny. Just do it.
Interesting that Sargon, Henoch and Thalasia are mentioned. There's a brief exchange when Sargon talks about his people exploring the galaxy eons ago. He goes on to postulate that "your legends of an Adam and Eve may have been some of our explorers." Mulhall argues that life on Earth evolved independently. However, Spock cocks an eyebrow and observes, "That would however, explain some aspects of Vulcan pre-history." Later, when the three "essences" inhabit Kirk, Spock and Mulhall's bodies to construct their androids, Spock's body, already having a far greater heart rate, is not as adversely affected by the consentual "possession".
My point? Well, unless later material negated aspects of this episode, it seems to me that Sargon's race may have been the off world distant ancestors to the Vulcans and the business of Katras, carrying them in host bodies, depositing them within "vessels" (containers, not ships) is merely a continuation of what Sargon's people could do, merely "dolled up" in tradition, pomp and circumstance. At least, that's what came to mind when I say the "Search for Spock" three decades ago.
Sincerely,
Bill
My point? Well, unless later material negated aspects of this episode, it seems to me that Sargon's race may have been the off world distant ancestors to the Vulcans and the business of Katras, carrying them in host bodies, depositing them within "vessels" (containers, not ships) is merely a continuation of what Sargon's people could do, merely "dolled up" in tradition, pomp and circumstance. At least, that's what came to mind when I say the "Search for Spock" three decades ago.
Sincerely,
Bill
Redfern, I said that two pages ago. Vonda McIntyre postulated such in her novelization of SFS, published at the time. Whether she was using something she found in an earlier draft or made it up herself is open to debate, at this point.
So what the Vulcans are like Warhammer Eldar now, imprisoning the souls of their dead in some sort of "soul circuit"? They jut keep getting nicer and more charming
In general this Katra concept seems a bit like Ancient Egyptain mythology to me. They believed that a person's soul was composed of multiple parts, at least one of which would remain on Earth and could become a sort of Poltergeist.
Maybe the Katra is something like that, a remnant, an echo?
I apologize for missing your observation. I was at the office and kinda' had to "skim" through the discussion.
Sincerely,
Bill
Given the nature of Vulcans, I see the "katra" as just the equivalent of a computer file. The Vulcans simply have the ability to telepathically transfer or copy and transfer minds, like we can copy computer files. Thus, when the katra of Spock was transferred into McCoy, and then back into a "factory restored" (i.e. the Genesis Wave Effect) Spock.
That might have been the idea. Then the three months of training Spock received was more about making sure the software worked in the refurbished system than actually teaching him anything new.
