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So, the "Torchbearer..."

I think you're going to see everyone treating it as a reboot a long time before anything like that happens.
 
Why can't the visuals be different without being a reboot of the lore?

If they were to retell a TOS story 1:1 right down to the dialogue but have everything redesigned, would that be a reboot?
 
So, I did what I generally consider the irrelevant thing of looking up an online dictionary definition. For "reboot" one meaning given is "to create a distinctly different version" of an existing story, movie, TV show etc.

An example is given, which is Sony retelling Spider-Man over and over and over and over and -

Sorry.

As I was saying, that story has been told several different ways even in the comics. So whether events exactly match up with the last version of the story can't be the definition of "reboot" where Spider-Man is concerned. Or Superman.

A "reboot" isn't simply and literally defined as one thing - like "changing an event is a reboot, changing a picture isn't a reboot, changing dialogue is a reboot, changing actors isn't a reboot" - it's more along the lines of damon knight's famous remark about science fiction, ie "A reboot is what I'm pointing at when I say 'reboot.'"
 
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Batman Forever changed a lot of things, and even changed the cars to be from the 1940s and '50s instead of the present day, but it wasn't really a reboot. It probably would have been considered one if it hadn't kept the same actors for Alfred and Commissioner Gordon though.
 
Why? it is the exact same thing, just updated visuals.

Nothing can be completely dublicated. You would need new actors who would give different performances and even if you somehow got the same actors the scene's would play differently.

Jason
 
The flip side to there being no strict definition of a "reboot" is that Discovery may come to not be seen as one, despite the visual overhaul. If the folks making it say it isn't one, and enough of the audience ends up agreeing with them, then it isn't a reboot.

The one thing from oldTrek that will be well and truly dead in that case will be literal interpretation of visuals. No more will there need to be stories like the Enterpise Klingon forehead arc.
 
In the time it took Phlox to find a cure, other Klingon scientists on a hundred different worlds may have found other cures that resulted in variously different mutations as the augment virus stabilized.
 
What you're leaving out here is that a) only 18 of his plays were published prior to the First Folio (the legitimate reproduction of his works), and b) the pirated quartos prior to the First Folio bungled his content and were unreliable. Hence the printing of the First Folio by Shakespeare's colleagues. So much for the virtues of piracy.
Virtues of piracy...sorry...can't hold it in...:guffaw:
Isn't Kor or one of the TOS klingons going to be on the show? Do you think they will put him in the new makeup and outfit? What do you do when you have someone who has gone through both with the TOS look and TNG look but doesn't seem to be a fit for this new look since he isn't part of this groups house?

Jason
Put him in armor and don't worry about the forhead :techman:
 
If Kirk shows up as (female) Jamie Terisa Kirk and has an affair with Spock, then it could be a reboot.

That's perfectly canonical as long as she transitions back into a male at some point prior to WNMHGB.

Put him in armor and don't worry about the forhead :techman:

In his younger days, Kor was one of the many Klingons who underwent Dr. Antaak's reconstructive surgery regimen. He later removed the implanted ridges in protest of the traditionalist T'Kuvma government.
 
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That's perfectly canonical as long as she transitions back into a male at some point prior to WNMHGB.



In his younger days, Kor was one of the many Klingons who underwent Dr. Antaak's reconstructive surgery regimen. He later removed the implanted ridges in protest of the traditionalist T'Kuvma government.
Hey, hey hey! I will have none of that fan theory garbage running around here, messing up my posts. You bring dishonor! :klingon:

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No. His point was that at the end of the Middle Ages... when folks started translating the Bible FROM Latin (the only liturgical language approved by the nearly all-powerful Catholic Church) into the vernacular languages, that was in essence "media piracy" as the Church "owned" the rights to the printing, distribution, and interpretation of the Bible.

Except that vernacular translations were used throughout the middle ages, in abridged and full form, depending on where and when you talk about, eg. the Bibles moralisées, the old English bible, etc, as well section adaptations. The reformation has some very problematic historiographical errors, most especially the invention/emergence of vernacular.

There is also a problem with conflating scripture with liturgical culture, as not every biblical text was used in the office, mass or even paraliturgically.

It is also worth remembering that preprint culture was mnemonic, and that people were often multilingual, eg Ralph Hanna's study of literature in 14th century London. How we understand a highly sophisticated set of cultures is highly shallow.

This also ignores Byzantium, and Slavic, Georgian and other Christian cultures.
 
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