So the Regeneration limit jumps from 12 to 507...? SJA SPOILERS
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I keep dreamed that someday Gold will have the opportunity to write a theme for all the Doctors. It would be lovely to have a 'Doctors Suite'.
For example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3c7GT63SxU
Gotta remember this was the early 70's, when electronic music was still in its infancy.
So, in other words, the last time the regeneration limit was in a story, Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister, Ronald Reagan was President, the Soviet Union still existed and the Cold War was still going on, Mikhail Gorbachev wasn't even the Soviet Premier yet, M*A*S*H was still on the air, the Nintendo Entertainment System had only just launched in Japan, the Falkland Islands War had just finished and the military junta in Argentina was being dissolved, Return of the Jedi was in theaters, McDonalds had only just introduced the McNugget, Issac Asimov was still alive, Michael Jackson's "Thriller" and Nintendo's Mario Bros. were new, Tom Cruise was dancing in his underwear in Risky Business, and Roger Moore was still James Bond.
Yeah, I think it's safe to say the regeneration limit isn't central to the Doctor Who mythos.
Yeah, I think it's safe to say the regeneration limit isn't central to the Doctor Who mythos.
So, in other words, the last time the regeneration limit was in a story, Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister, Ronald Reagan was President, the Soviet Union still existed and the Cold War was still going on, Mikhail Gorbachev wasn't even the Soviet Premier yet, M*A*S*H was still on the air, the Nintendo Entertainment System had only just launched in Japan, the Falkland Islands War had just finished and the military junta in Argentina was being dissolved, Return of the Jedi was in theaters, McDonalds had only just introduced the McNugget, Issac Asimov was still alive, Michael Jackson's "Thriller" and Nintendo's Mario Bros. were new, Tom Cruise was dancing in his underwear in Risky Business, and Roger Moore was still James Bond.
Yeah, I think it's safe to say the regeneration limit isn't central to the Doctor Who mythos.
No, you pulled all those Wikipedia facts for nothing.
It was 1996 with Paul McGann. So, you need to revise your timeline. As I said, it's been a relative ten years of Doctor Who (1984-1989, 2005-2010) since it's been explicitly mentioned... 
So, in other words, the last time the regeneration limit was in a story, Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister, Ronald Reagan was President, the Soviet Union still existed and the Cold War was still going on, Mikhail Gorbachev wasn't even the Soviet Premier yet, M*A*S*H was still on the air, the Nintendo Entertainment System had only just launched in Japan, the Falkland Islands War had just finished and the military junta in Argentina was being dissolved, Return of the Jedi was in theaters, McDonalds had only just introduced the McNugget, Issac Asimov was still alive, Michael Jackson's "Thriller" and Nintendo's Mario Bros. were new, Tom Cruise was dancing in his underwear in Risky Business, and Roger Moore was still James Bond.
Yeah, I think it's safe to say the regeneration limit isn't central to the Doctor Who mythos.
No, you pulled all those Wikipedia facts for nothing.
Right, obviously the year Bill Clinton was in office, Tony Blair was not yet Prime Minister, Boris Yeltsin was still alive and in office, Windows 95 was still new, Independence Day was in theaters, Toy Story was the only CGI animated film in history, the Troubles were still ongoing, Alanis Morrisette's first album was a huge hit, Braveheart won Best Picture, Tom Cruise had an obnoxious catch phrase in Jerry Maguire, Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls were killed, the Spice Girls had their first big hit, 7th Heaven premiered on TV, and The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air ended is so much more timely than 1983 or 1985.
Sorry, but the regeneration limit hasn't mattered in a long time. That's just a fact. No one but a few of us die-hards on the Internet actually give a shit about it.
Oh, I understood your point. I just don't agree. William Hartnell's Doctor smoking a pipe is an example of something that happened so long ago as to not matter to the current character. The Regeneration Limit is a key piece of show history that supports an entire era. Is it so important that RTD can't joke about it? No. But, is it an important enough concept within the mythos to demand a proper dismissal story or concept? Yes.
No one here is saying it shouldn't happen. The way it takes place, and the amount of respect they give the source material, is where (most) fans have issue. I for one would love for The Doctor to make the same kind of joke IN Doctor Who, BUT turn around and then admit it was a joke and go on to explain/show/plot the details of how/when/why this fundamental aspect of Gallifreyan biology shifted. The less imaginative would expect Trek-like technobabble in dealing with it. I don't care the amount of "science" they want to shove in, really. I could even see a quick flashback to Paul McGann getting a Trek-like hypo-shot, and some old Time Lord says, "...there, we've just given you another set of thirteen lives..." The overall point is, just deal with it head-on...
No one here is saying it shouldn't happen. The way it takes place, and the amount of respect they give the source material, is where (most) fans have issue. I for one would love for The Doctor to make the same kind of joke IN Doctor Who, BUT turn around and then admit it was a joke and go on to explain/show/plot the details of how/when/why this fundamental aspect of Gallifreyan biology shifted. The less imaginative would expect Trek-like technobabble in dealing with it. I don't care the amount of "science" they want to shove in, really. I could even see a quick flashback to Paul McGann getting a Trek-like hypo-shot, and some old Time Lord says, "...there, we've just given you another set of thirteen lives..." The overall point is, just deal with it head-on...
Oh, I understood your point. I just don't agree. William Hartnell's Doctor smoking a pipe is an example of something that happened so long ago as to not matter to the current character. The Regeneration Limit is a key piece of show history that supports an entire era. Is it so important that RTD can't joke about it? No. But, is it an important enough concept within the mythos to demand a proper dismissal story or concept? Yes.
No one here is saying it shouldn't happen. The way it takes place, and the amount of respect they give the source material, is where (most) fans have issue. I for one would love for The Doctor to make the same kind of joke IN Doctor Who, BUT turn around and then admit it was a joke and go on to explain/show/plot the details of how/when/why this fundamental aspect of Gallifreyan biology shifted. The less imaginative would expect Trek-like technobabble in dealing with it. I don't care the amount of "science" they want to shove in, really. I could even see a quick flashback to Paul McGann getting a Trek-like hypo-shot, and some old Time Lord says, "...there, we've just given you another set of thirteen lives..." The overall point is, just deal with it head-on...
I think that that's a mythos point that only really matters to a small section of the audience; I don't think it's really worth putting that much effort into explaining it. Remember, the vast majority of Doctor Who's audience consists of the Not-We, and the producers' first obligation is to make a show that works for them, not us.
Personally, I think the best suggestion I've ever heard is Gore-thohttp://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=4494585&postcount=109's.
Wait....Trial of a Time Lord dealt with the Valeyard, and they do state he's from between the twelfth and final thirteenth incarnation....and that was 1986. So, 1986-1989 / 2005-2010. That makes a relative eight years of not mentioning it.
Damn. I'm genuinely surprised it actually is that prevalent in the latter years. Of course, since McGann's story was plumped with every Doctor Who trivia bit possible, it was bound to be mentioned in 1996...
Damn. I'm genuinely surprised it actually is that prevalent in the latter years. Of course, since McGann's story was plumped with every Doctor Who trivia bit possible, it was bound to be mentioned in 1996...
I think it's a damn good line and would love to see it done that way. However, even then, it deals with the notion that either The Doctor does or doesn't know why it's happening beyond thirteen. Thereby acknowledging it head-on. Like I'm saying, I don't expect LeVar Burton to walk in and give a paragraph about Temporal Anamolies Present in The Doctor's Genetic-Code, Alpha-Seven-Foxtrot-positronic tampon. I just want him to be like Holy shit, the limit's always been thirteen, why am I changing, we need to figure this out, or, "Hey Amy, back in the Time War they unlocked my regenerative genetic-lock, which feasibly means I can regenerate another twenty or thirty times. Yay!"
The thing is, by the time they do there may be a whole generation of Whovians who treat the "limt of 507" as gospel!The overall point is, just deal with it head-on...
Ah, but if they do it now, then all's well, since the generation that treat it as gospel are the ones currently watching the show. I know a lot of people try to downplay Doctor Who viewers as being only people who are hardcore super-fans, or, the people who stop flipping channels when they see the pretty pictures. But, there is a HUGE demographic of a wide variety of fan-types ranging between those two extremes that grew up with the Regen Limit as an absolute fact of the show. That's all I'm saying...
The thing is, by the time they do there may be a whole generation of Whovians who treat the "limt of 507" as gospel!The overall point is, just deal with it head-on...
Why not? It exists on the same basis as the previous, outdated one.
The thing is, by the time they do there may be a whole generation of Whovians who treat the "limt of 507" as gospel!The overall point is, just deal with it head-on...
Why not? It exists on the same basis as the previous, outdated one.
I think in every episode of the new series, the question should be raised and a different answer given every time.
Actually...
I haven't said it in this thread yet (because I know I'm in the vast minority) but I've mentioned my personal take on this in previous threads. I want to see The Doctor face his mortality when he's on his final regeneration and see how that affects him. When he dies, he stays dead. No last minute fixes.
I know, I know, as long as Doctor Who remains popular, BBC will not want to end to show based on a few lines mentioned here and there in the classic series. That being said, we probably won't have to worry about that for at least ten years assuming Matt Smith and his following two successors average 3-4 years.
I suspect the same but this is my hope nonetheless.
You misunderstand me. I don't mean how it will physically effect him (I suspect The Master looked the way he did because resisted death). I mean how The Doctor views his life at the final incarnation.
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