Or you could fly a 4-5 dozen Miranda's or Excelsior's into a Cube, plenty of them to spare
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So the Defiant was built specifically to fight the Borg, right?
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I used to love doing that in the Birth of the Federation game. I would drag out games where I played the Federation far longer than I needed to just so I could discover heavy escort technology and build entire fleets of Defiants. There wouldn't even be any real enemies left in the game, but I'd spread them around the map on guard duty hoping some superpowerful ship would appear so they could all gang up on it.
I never played that game, but it always sounded fun to me!!
I really wonder what happpend with the special weapon designs that were proposed to fight the Borg but weren't ready during BOBW.
First Contact would have been the perfect opportunity to show them during the battle at the beginning, especially if there were a scene showing the Defiant using them against the Borg. As it was said to be designed especially as a Anti-Borg weapon.
First Contact would have been the perfect opportunity to show them during the battle at the beginning, especially if there were a scene showing the Defiant using them against the Borg. As it was said to be designed especially as a Anti-Borg weapon.
Please don't parse. The full quote shows he is not talking specifically about the Defiant.
See that? A new class of starship.
Well, since the Defiant class of ships were being built to fight the Borg, doesn't that mean that the Defiant ship was built to fight the Borg?
Yes, but not necessarily as isolated units. The B-17 was designed to level German industry, but only in large numbers, not solitary planes.
That kind of a shame that in this case, a low budget did the reverse of what it normally does. As I have heard that the borg was going to be a bug like species but do to lack of money they are cyborgs. Although maybe it is more like how it is with the Klingons how they looked very human in the tos but became more alien-like the tng.
How would the battle have been enhanced by showing the starships doing damage? The whole idea was that they could not - that only Picard's personal intervention could carry the day, transforming impotent starships into a precision instrument that could do damage in the one place where it mattered.
("The one place" of course should not be taken to suggest the Cube had a weak spot. We know they have none. What they have is constantly shifting weaknesses - and if Picard's Locutus persona can keep track on the shifting, then the weakness is exposed. Which is what we see happen: Locutus waits until an opportune moment, allowing many starships to die in the meantime, instead of merely pointing the guns at a specific spot.)
Showing a wounded Defiant worked pretty well here. And failing to show comparable wounds on other ships makes the Defiant look all the mightier: other ships simply die and disappear, while the tough little one gets graphic wounds and fights on.
Timo Saloniemi
("The one place" of course should not be taken to suggest the Cube had a weak spot. We know they have none. What they have is constantly shifting weaknesses - and if Picard's Locutus persona can keep track on the shifting, then the weakness is exposed. Which is what we see happen: Locutus waits until an opportune moment, allowing many starships to die in the meantime, instead of merely pointing the guns at a specific spot.)
Showing a wounded Defiant worked pretty well here. And failing to show comparable wounds on other ships makes the Defiant look all the mightier: other ships simply die and disappear, while the tough little one gets graphic wounds and fights on.
Timo Saloniemi
What point are you trying to make here? Yes, everyone knows the Defiant was the first of a proposed class of ships. No one is arguing it was meant to be a solitary, one-and-done effort.
He's referring to the concept of a new ship, of which the Defiant was (at the time) the only one built. So, yeah, that's what he's talking about.
You're having an argument with yourself. Yes, Starfleet doesn't build unique ships, they build classes of ships, just as we didn't have one B-17.
Are you saying that neither the OP not the poster to whom you were responding were not talking specifically about the performance of the singular USS Defiant? Check again.
Neither the OP nor the comment by The Wormhole suggest that the Defiant was every meant to be a unique starship.
In fact, the Wormhole suggests the Defiant was meant to be proof of concept for a class of warships.
Still not sure where you're getting it, but it doesn't matter. No one's disagreeing with anyone here, let's just move on.
You mean the Jem’Hadar attack ships?
Except the Defiant routinely tore through those like tissue paper.
