So now we have CGI models of multiple ships…
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The season one finale shot was just fine. The fictional Star Trek universe can indeed have 200 Inquiry-class ships, the big deal is only in the kind of fans' minds who really shouldn't be pandered to.
I don't think anyone's all that keen on the copy/paste fleet, but it's what happened, we can't unsee it, and spending time and money retconning it is just going to make other people unhappy.
Exactly. Unfortunately, the writers decided to listen to the "fans" as if they have one unified opinion.
That's what I grew up with. It's fine by me.
No. The complaints have been heard and they made a diverse fleet to satisfy the haters for Season 2. That's the fix.
I stand corrected! One person does like the copy/paste fleet.
It doesn't make someone a hater to want to see Starfleet as it's been depicted for the last 40 years though, with more than one class in service at once. Especially when seeing a few of the older classes like the Intrepid or the Sovereign would've really helped tie the series to its history and make it feel like a familiar place.
It doesn't make someone a hater to want to see Starfleet as it's been depicted for the last 40 years though, with more than one class in service at once. Especially when seeing a few of the older classes like the Intrepid or the Sovereign would've really helped tie the series to its history and make it feel like a familiar place.
No, what happens is instead of appreciating the show as is it basically loud clamoring for them daring to reuse assets. And now, the fans are emboldened to complain about whatever they like and expect that the producers will dance to their beat.
It sets a poor precedence.
Star Trek was supposedly about imagining the future not grasping to the glory days of the past. One highly advance ship being built by Starfleet after the attack was actually pretty damn impressive to see in the story.
Zero.
you know the copypaste fleet was not the plan and only happened because production was rushed due to the pandemic, right?
Aaaand...here we are again, yet another topic derailed by fireproof’s usual lashing against the “haters”.
I do. I just didn't think it needed fixing.
How about you take your disgruntlement with me to PM? Seriously. I saw the rage, and efforts for fans to fix this supposed problem when it worked within the context of the show. Limitations are a good thing in art.
You say 'the fans' and 'the producers' like they're two different groups who want different things.
Me neither: what’s done is done.
I have no disgruntlement with you. But you have been derailing basically every post in the last few days, making it about “you against the haters”, and that is getting annoying quickly.
No, I don't. I think there is a huge swath and variety of people and opinions out there, including people who liked the fleet from the end of Season 1. But, producers live in a world of time constraints and financial limitations.
There's a handy button for that.
Also, I don't see me "against the haters." What I saw in the interview with the team was basically "We heard the complaints and we'll fix it." Now, I'm sorry, but that rewarded complaining so that behavior will continue. And I do not think that is a good place for a production team to be.
Those haters are the ones that can't let it go. "The copypasta fleet!" "The story moves too slow!"
It's not so bad to post an opinion, but to post it every fucking page in every fucking thread, so as to try and stay relevant is where it gets sooooooooo ridiculous.
It’s not unreasonable to expect them to follow established lore, there was always multiple classes in fleets prior to this (with the exception of TOS)
Yeah I know, that’s why I said “now we have CGI models”.
TOS is also established lore, which means single ship fleets are just as legitimate in Star Trek lore. It comes down to preference, not lore.
This here I agree with.
Well not exactly, it's because the writers or whoever decided to add a big fleet at the last minute. At least according to the people who were interviewed for the Eaglemoss booklet it was a very last minute request. Eaves was given 2 days to throw together a few ships (when normally he has a month or so), and the VFX team had like a month or something to put it all together,
This armada is making me hungry!
At the end of Season 1, if they couldn't create a new shot with a fleet of ships from scratch (for whatever reason), I think they would've been better off if they just grabbed a shot of a bunch of Starfleet ships from late-DS9 (one peppered with a lot of FC designs), upgraded it to HD, and inserted Riker's ship in the front. He'd still have the most powerful and advanced ship leading the charge, and then in the background you'd have all the other 24th Century ships you'd expect.
They would still need access to those models first. They apparently didn't. It would have also taken time to convert the models to whatever format they use at the VFX studio.
Even in Season 2 here, the Sovereign and Akira are STO game models, and the Nova and Steamrunner in the trailers came from Eaglemoss.
Though fun fact, the Nova model is actually the same Nova model from Voyager that Eaglemoss had been given years ago for use in their product line.
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