Sorry, made me think of this. And being free from strings by jumping into the future.
Spoilers So now Discovery is 'synched-up' with canon
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And yet, back when DSC started, they used that exact same rationale for why it was set pre-TOS "to free the show from the continuity hardcore constantly slamming it for reasons that are nothing to do with story or production quality" and not be a slave to all sorts of details established over the years of Trek history.
This is of course patently silly because if, for instance, the TNG era established Ferengi as big-eared, tan, and all about money, it would be strange to have them purple, tiny-eared CG blobs that are all about love and respect, no matter when you set a new show. On the flip side, the production design of DSC 29th century is going to be just like the production design of DSC 23rd century or 33rd century or whatever, so it's not like it's charting a new course by being in the future. It will be the same show, same focus on serialized melodrama because that is the show it is, no use in trying for it to be something else.
DSC never needed to fit "prime" continuity. The main reason it's measured to that standard is because of how strongly the creators insisted it is "prime" (and also some fans are against new things - but I'd argue if the creators hadn't been so vociferous about DSC being "prime", those fans would just like or dislike it on its own terms). These writers do a remarkably good job and claiming they are in a hole and then digging an entirely different hole to "get out of the first hole", except there was no first hole.
S1 didn't need to "be dark only because of Lorca and his MU eyes", nor did we need a reason no one talks about Discovery or Michael. But now we are left with "solutions" that are far less believable than the problems that didn't exist in the first place.
Proven technology whose operation is illegal under federation law because of the requirements of either a genetically augmented navigator or by imprisoning torturing a sentient species It's in the same league with the Equinox, IMO, as it can only be used by violating Federation tenets.
Pretty much. And a big reason why some fans loved the appearance of the 60s sets in “Relics”, “Trials and Tribble-actions” and “In a Mirror, Darkly” is that it felt validating to have the modern shows say “it’s canon, all of it”. The sets are extremely dated, and a certain subset gets utterly annoyed hearing about that because it’s something they hold dear and would rather hold it up to a modern Trek set and say it’s perfectly fine for today. Especially when the mirror ENT characters seem to constantly talk about how advanced the Defiant is because the filmmakers know they need to try to sell the idea that the very 1960s TOS era ship was super advanced compared to the modern 2000s looking NX-01. And then you have the new Star Wars films, particularly ROGUE ONE, retaining a lot of the 70s era sets, and that’s what those groups of Trek fans want for their franchise. Basically STAR TREK CONTINUES level of faithfulness but made by professional filmmakers instead.
To then have CBS give the 23rd century a visual makeover for 2010s broader audiences, those fans just interpret it as a personal insult to TOS.
I really don't understand why people aren't getting that. Can you re-post that again in all caps, please?
Its kind of against my personal rules of conduct to scream over the internet.
The problem was computational power, so that would eventually be solved via tech. Also, this certainly is something that should make them reconsiders the genetic engineering ban. Torture is obviously no go, but a volunteer getting little genetic treatment should be ethically tenable, especially as Stamets seemed to be pretty much fine.
And of course, none of the ethical concerns would stop many of the other faction from using such technology.
All the more reason to bury it if they weren't going to use it.
Yet another good reason to have it declared a failure and buried like all the other game-changing but moraly decrepit technology that the Federation has had buried over the years.
IMO, you honestly believe in either the Federation the coalition of peace, order and good government or the anything goes, slipperly slope, what slippery slope? Federation in this case. Pick one or the other, you can't have both.
And no one else ever, in the entire universe developed this technology? The multiverse spanning fungal network is right there and no one else ever noticed?
Actually, that's been discussed already (as you know) in the context of Q, the aliens from VOY's timestream, among others...
Most probably ended up like the Glenn most of the time and declared it a bad idea. In TNG we had something similar with the Manheim experiment in 'We'll Always Have Paris." Didn't see any further work in that area, did we?
Which wouldn't stop Section 31 and other powers from pursuing the technology.
Except that the new head of S31 is determined to make sure it gets forgotten.
And they can all twist their ships into pretzels as well. I personally can't see any tardigrades coming within ten thousand parsecs of the Alpha/Beta quadrants after Ripper tells them what happened to him there. i'm honestly not sure the opportunity for a taste of Landry is enough to counter the endless rounds of torture.
It makes sense to hide the knowledge of the spore drive and red angel suit from other powers that might make it work against the Federation. Purging the knowledge of the ship Discovery and it's crew seems extreme.
If I were to hazard a guess, the problem was the following:
- Creatives wanted to be free to do their own thing, rather than be shackled to past continuity and design choices.
- CBS suits wanted to market the show to die-hard Trek fans who cared about every niggling detail - given they're the most likely people to sign up for a premium service solely to watch a single show.
- Thus, we ended up with a show where the production said one thing and the PR said another...until the pressure built on the showrunners to such an extent they had to make explicit (stupid) lampshades to the production choices onscreen.
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Like the Klingons? Who know about both of them anyway...
Why would the spore drive be of much interest to them any more? The Federation had it and it still didn't win them war.
Sorry, made me think of this. And being free from strings by jumping into the future.
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