So my wife asked me a question...
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That's rhetorical nonsense. Who said that?"Don't try to be a great man, just be a man, and let history make its own judgements."
Well, there are certain truths that even I can't deny. That still doesn't mean I believe abandoning the continuity is the right way to go. Doctor Who was in a similar situation before 05, but they did a good job of restarting without rebooting.
Well, there are certain truths that even I can't deny. That still doesn't mean I believe abandoning the continuity is the right way to go. Doctor Who was in a similar situation before 05, but they did a good job of restarting without rebooting.
But it's not the same thing - Doctor Who is gleeful in running across it's own backstory - Doctor Who has consistency more than it has canon.
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Well, there are certain truths that even I can't deny. That still doesn't mean I believe abandoning the continuity is the right way to go. Doctor Who was in a similar situation before 05, but they did a good job of restarting without rebooting.
If the spoilers (which I actually try to avoid) are true, then the 'canon'/continuity is only abandoned within that continuity.
Ha ha yeah. It's pretty good.
That was rather funny. That said I like this recut ending to SW6
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=1QhrrynMFiM&feature=related
Took me awhile to figure out what was going on there, but in the end i think something like that professionaly done would be a great additon to the film. (if you see al six from 1-6 and not 4-6,1-3)
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=1QhrrynMFiM&feature=related
Took me awhile to figure out what was going on there, but in the end i think something like that professionaly done would be a great additon to the film. (if you see al six from 1-6 and not 4-6,1-3)
Pretty funny for sure, but seem like it could be just another attempt by a Hardcore-non-fan to make a mockery of the new film. Meh.
It didn't have to be rebooted so much as just treated more competently and with a bigger scope.
Star Trek films always come across as bigger-budget TV episodes rather than as films -- and they are plotted and executed thusly. Star Wars, simplistic as it is, tended to take its cues from other cinema, adopting the epic persona in general and using derivative ideas and images accordingly. It shows up in everything from how the director frames shots, to the cinematography and lensing, to homages to other films, to the nature and complexity of SFX. Thus, even a space battle, such as the one in First Contact, featuring dozens of ships and lots of things exploding, somehow seems rather underdeveloped compared to anything in the Star Wars films.
The irony is that epics usually suffer from shallow, one-dimensional characters because so much is focused on the plot and scope. Had a truly epic Star Trek film been attempted, it wouldn't have had this problem since the characters were already eminently familiar to so many people. But while Star Trek often posited the stakes were high -- e.g., the fate of Earth was at stake -- one never saw much on the screen to correspond viscerally. If we were lucky, we got a handful of people on a starship bridge, a handful of people in a Starfleet control room, and some SFX shots of the Earth and a ship or two. Again, TV thinking.
It's no surprise to me that the best of the Star Trek films, the second one, works in part because it tells a more intimate story than the others -- one involving the characters in a relatively complex emotional tale about aging, revenge, and redemption -- so in this case, the smaller production works. Two captains duking it out in crippled ships while dealing with personal foibles is perfect for a production with TV thinking.
There is a lot of doubletalk about the need to reboot Star Trek, most of it focused on attracting a new and different audience. The look of the show must be changed . . . to satisfy people that never watched in the first place. Leonard Nimoy is needed in the film to act as a bridge . . . for people unfamiliar with Star Trek. Canon is unimportant compared to a good story . . . yet the demographics must be identical to the original (Kirk has to be white and blond, etc.)
The truth is a reboot both gives the filmmakers the freedom to toss out things they don't want to deal with and the marketing people an opportunity to try to generate buzz that this is a "new and improved" version of a classic product. Outside of that, a reboot wasn't necessary. It might end up working, but it wasn't necessary.
Star Trek films always come across as bigger-budget TV episodes rather than as films -- and they are plotted and executed thusly. Star Wars, simplistic as it is, tended to take its cues from other cinema, adopting the epic persona in general and using derivative ideas and images accordingly. It shows up in everything from how the director frames shots, to the cinematography and lensing, to homages to other films, to the nature and complexity of SFX. Thus, even a space battle, such as the one in First Contact, featuring dozens of ships and lots of things exploding, somehow seems rather underdeveloped compared to anything in the Star Wars films.
The irony is that epics usually suffer from shallow, one-dimensional characters because so much is focused on the plot and scope. Had a truly epic Star Trek film been attempted, it wouldn't have had this problem since the characters were already eminently familiar to so many people. But while Star Trek often posited the stakes were high -- e.g., the fate of Earth was at stake -- one never saw much on the screen to correspond viscerally. If we were lucky, we got a handful of people on a starship bridge, a handful of people in a Starfleet control room, and some SFX shots of the Earth and a ship or two. Again, TV thinking.
It's no surprise to me that the best of the Star Trek films, the second one, works in part because it tells a more intimate story than the others -- one involving the characters in a relatively complex emotional tale about aging, revenge, and redemption -- so in this case, the smaller production works. Two captains duking it out in crippled ships while dealing with personal foibles is perfect for a production with TV thinking.
There is a lot of doubletalk about the need to reboot Star Trek, most of it focused on attracting a new and different audience. The look of the show must be changed . . . to satisfy people that never watched in the first place. Leonard Nimoy is needed in the film to act as a bridge . . . for people unfamiliar with Star Trek. Canon is unimportant compared to a good story . . . yet the demographics must be identical to the original (Kirk has to be white and blond, etc.)
The truth is a reboot both gives the filmmakers the freedom to toss out things they don't want to deal with and the marketing people an opportunity to try to generate buzz that this is a "new and improved" version of a classic product. Outside of that, a reboot wasn't necessary. It might end up working, but it wasn't necessary.
John Ordover had a great idea for Galaxy Quest 2. With any luck, this fiasco might cause a few light bulbs to go off over at Dreamworks....waitaminute, didn't Paramount buy out Dreamworks a while back?
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That is pretty nice.
That one flashback where Anakin force-chokes Padme... I have never seen that
These three are great
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFRRAcR2N2M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue4mVx7EBOY&feature=related watch this one to the very end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4ijDlbvAxw
Id love to see that... What were his ideas? Tims been wanting to do a GQ2 since 06 and it still hasn't happened.
To illuminate:
Accountants don't run focus groups but they do commission them.
In my experience, there are two reasons for focus groups; the ones where the answers are dictated to confirm preconcieved notions ( How are we gonna sell this to management? I know! Let's get a focus group!! ) and the ones where the client really wants to find out people's attitudes and opinions. There are all sorts of sub reasons but you get the idea.
Which one was used for Trek 11? We'll find out next May...
I've managed to get promoted to where my assistants run the groups and I get to write the questions. Then there's the staff meetings to discuss and refine the questions ( kind of a focus group itself ). There are times I wish I'd taken more psychology than Psych 201 back in college, I'd be better prepared for doing this stuff.
Oh, the things I wish I could tell you if I weren't buried under mountains of non disclosure agreements...
Accountants don't run focus groups but they do commission them.
In my experience, there are two reasons for focus groups; the ones where the answers are dictated to confirm preconcieved notions ( How are we gonna sell this to management? I know! Let's get a focus group!! ) and the ones where the client really wants to find out people's attitudes and opinions. There are all sorts of sub reasons but you get the idea.
Which one was used for Trek 11? We'll find out next May...
I've managed to get promoted to where my assistants run the groups and I get to write the questions. Then there's the staff meetings to discuss and refine the questions ( kind of a focus group itself ). There are times I wish I'd taken more psychology than Psych 201 back in college, I'd be better prepared for doing this stuff.
Oh, the things I wish I could tell you if I weren't buried under mountains of non disclosure agreements...
Whats an NDA between friends?
It involved the bad guys returning and the need to recruit as many GQ fans as possible to man the battle fleet, since they're the only ones who know how to operate the ships. The ultimate love letter to the fans.
Not exactly, and that arrangement is changing anyway as a result of this recent deal:
http://www.variety.com/VR1117993872.html
Star trek has been rebooted many times....
Canonicity (what is and is not) in the Star Wars universe, has been more faithfully managed than in the Star Trek.
Trek got too messy in that regard, thus the new thinking became "Whose version do we follow? Let's begin again and make our own".
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