So my wife asked me a question...

[ThunderAeroI]

My kids are in a star wars kick right now and are currently watching The Empire Strikes Back. Her question was.

With Star Wars having never been reset why would there be a need to reset Star Trek. I don't have an answer but maybe some people might.

I know Star trek has more hours of tv and perhaps a more negative geek appeal, but Star Wars has more books and supporting material.

Star Wars has never been rebooted or whatever so why the need to do it in Star Trek?

 

[maryh]

Probably because Kirk is dead unless they push the reset button.

In a sense they already rebooted with 4 spin-offs, all slightly different, but occurring in the same Trek universe. Many still think TOS was the best and wish to revisit it, but with Kirk gone, they won't get it back without pushing that reset button.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Star Wars isn't a series of stories, it's one big sprawling story told in several chapters. It also has the distinct advantage of still being under the control of its creator.

Star Trek is currently an orphan, being handed from one abusive foster parent to another.

 

[JoeZhang]

Star Wars has never been rebooted or whatever so why the need to do it in Star Trek?

The last Star Wars film made $900 million in box office alone, the last star trek film made about $68 million - this is the biggest reason why. Star Trek has stalled as a commerical property - the money men think that this is the best way to get it back on track - everything else is window dressing.

 

[ThunderAeroI]

Star Wars isn't a series of stories, it's one big sprawling story told in several chapters. It also has the distinct advantage of still being under the control of its creator.

Star Trek is currently an orphan, being handed from one abusive foster parent to another.

If I was Lucas (oh boy I wish), I'd ensure I had some estate ready or already in place that would protect the IP and ensure proper story control, etc. Can't let the poor boy go without a parent.

 

[Ptrope]

the money men think that this is the best way to get it back on track - everything else is window dressing.

Unfortunately, money men think it's the window dressing that makes the movie - they are notoriously inept when it comes to preserving a foundation.

 

[JoeZhang]

the money men think that this is the best way to get it back on track - everything else is window dressing.

Unfortunately, money men think it's the window dressing that makes the movie - they are notoriously inept when it comes to preserving a foundation.

They are not priests in some holy order trying to ensure that the words of our holy lord roddenberry are preserved forever - their job is to ensure that the franchise makes money. If it doesn't make money, it dies. You sneer as much as you like but that's how it is.

 

[JuanBolio]

This isn't exactly a reset, anyway.

 

[ST-One]

the money men think that this is the best way to get it back on track - everything else is window dressing.

Unfortunately, money men think it's the window dressing that makes the movie - they are notoriously inept when it comes to preserving a foundation.

Why do I think of IDIC when you say 'money men'...?

 

[Haytil]

Story-wise, the strongest reason for a reboot is the incredible continuity that stifles further storytelling. Whether it's constricting what can happen in that era, or smaller details that prevent creators from being completely free, there's just too much that's been done before - hundreds and hundreds of hours.

"Star Wars" had a few movies, that's it. Like "Star Trek," the "Star Wars" books mean nothing. If Lucas had wanted to contradict something, he easily could've (and did), and nobody would care. There's tighter continuity, sure, but it's the filmed product that the masses see and understand - and thus, it's the filmed product that matters, continuity-wise.

If I was Lucas (oh boy I wish), I'd ensure I had some estate ready or already in place that would protect the IP and ensure proper story control, etc. Can't let the poor boy go without a parent.

Child Services should forcibly remove it from his custody, as Lucas is clearly an unfit parent. The Prequel Trilogy is controversial at best - but did you see that animated movie a few months back?

 

[ST-One]

Story-wise, the strongest reason for a reboot is the incredible continuity that stifles further storytelling. Whether it's constricting what can happen in that era, or smaller details that prevent creators from being completely free, there's just too much that's been done before - hundreds and hundreds of hours.

"Star Wars" had a few movies, that's it. Like "Star Trek," the "Star Wars" books mean nothing. If Lucas had wanted to contradict something, he easily could've (and did), and nobody would care. There's tighter continuity, sure, but it's the filmed product that the masses see and understand - and thus, it's the filmed product that matters, continuity-wise.

If I was Lucas (oh boy I wish), I'd ensure I had some estate ready or already in place that would protect the IP and ensure proper story control, etc. Can't let the poor boy go without a parent.

Child Services should forcibly remove it from his custody, as Lucas is clearly an unfit parent. The Prequel Trilogy is controversial at best - but did you see that animated movie a few months back?

I think the Star Wars books are part of that franchise's 'canon'.

 

[ThunderAeroI]

I havn't actually seen any of the clone wars cartoons or the movie. I'm aware of their story but thats about it

 

[ThunderAeroI]

Story-wise, the strongest reason for a reboot is the incredible continuity that stifles further storytelling. Whether it's constricting what can happen in that era, or smaller details that prevent creators from being completely free, there's just too much that's been done before - hundreds and hundreds of hours.

"Star Wars" had a few movies, that's it. Like "Star Trek," the "Star Wars" books mean nothing. If Lucas had wanted to contradict something, he easily could've (and did), and nobody would care. There's tighter continuity, sure, but it's the filmed product that the masses see and understand - and thus, it's the filmed product that matters, continuity-wise.

If I was Lucas (oh boy I wish), I'd ensure I had some estate ready or already in place that would protect the IP and ensure proper story control, etc. Can't let the poor boy go without a parent.

Child Services should forcibly remove it from his custody, as Lucas is clearly an unfit parent. The Prequel Trilogy is controversial at best - but did you see that animated movie a few months back?

I think the Star Wars books are part of that franchise's 'canon'.

Yeah I was going to say, I am pretty sure Lucas counts the books as canon

 

[Captain X]

Probably because Kirk is dead unless they push the reset button.

In a sense they already rebooted with 4 spin-offs, all slightly different, but occurring in the same Trek universe. Many still think TOS was the best and wish to revisit it, but with Kirk gone, they won't get it back without pushing that reset button.

Vader was dead after ROTJ, but that didn't stop them from bringing him back for the prequel movies, even if they did suck and he was a whiny bitch.

 

[datas_cat_spot]

Oh sweet! Another thread where two completely different things are compared to one another!

As if the Bond and Batman comparisons aren't already pointless enough.

 

[Ptrope]

They are not priests in some holy order trying to ensure that the words of our holy lord roddenberry are preserved forever - their job is to ensure that the franchise makes money. If it doesn't make money, it dies. You sneer as much as you like but that's how it is.

Who the f*** is "sneering?" If anything, it's your smart-ass answer. In most cases, accountants are really out of the loop as to what makes a movie work or not - their approach of "change the stuff our focus groups tell us they don't like/understand," despite the fact that most focus groups are 'focused' on getting the answers TPTB want to hear, rather than gathering honest or informed responses. I have no doubt that people who understand how to create movies would be much better judges of what needs to be done than do accountants; I said nothing about canon/continuity.

 

[JoeZhang]

They are not priests in some holy order trying to ensure that the words of our holy lord roddenberry are preserved forever - their job is to ensure that the franchise makes money. If it doesn't make money, it dies. You sneer as much as you like but that's how it is.

Who the f*** is "sneering?" If anything, it's your smart-ass answer. In most cases, accountants are really out of the loop as to what makes a movie work or not - their approach of "change the stuff our focus groups tell us they don't like/understand," despite the fact that most focus groups are 'focused' on getting the answers TPTB want to hear, rather than gathering honest or informed responses. I have no doubt that people who understand how to create movies would be much better judges of what needs to be done than do accountants; I said nothing about canon/continuity.

Accountants don't run focus groups.

 

[JoeZhang]

Story-wise, the strongest reason for a reboot is the incredible continuity that stifles further storytelling. Whether it's constricting what can happen in that era, or smaller details that prevent creators from being completely free, there's just too much that's been done before - hundreds and hundreds of hours.

"Star Wars" had a few movies, that's it. Like "Star Trek," the "Star Wars" books mean nothing. If Lucas had wanted to contradict something, he easily could've (and did), and nobody would care. There's tighter continuity, sure, but it's the filmed product that the masses see and understand - and thus, it's the filmed product that matters, continuity-wise.



Child Services should forcibly remove it from his custody, as Lucas is clearly an unfit parent. The Prequel Trilogy is controversial at best - but did you see that animated movie a few months back?

I think the Star Wars books are part of that franchise's 'canon'.

Yeah I was going to say, I am pretty sure Lucas counts the books as canon

Sorta - Lucas's attitude is "I don't read them and if I want to write something entirely different I will".

 

[ThunderAeroI]

Oh sweet! Another thread where two completely different things are compared to one another!

As if the Bond and Batman comparisons aren't already pointless enough.

I was asked the question and I didn't have an answer. I also fail to see how the comparison isn't valid. They both have been around nearly as long as each other and both have alot of backup source material.

Can you imgien the uproar if Lucas rebooted Episode 4?

 

[EnderAKH]

I think the Star Wars books are part of that franchise's 'canon'.

Yeah I was going to say, I am pretty sure Lucas counts the books as canon

They're "B" canon. They are canon as long as nothing on screen, or "A" canon, contradicts them. For example, Timothy Zahn put together a different version of the clone wars which was canon until Lucas contradicted it with the prequel trilogy.