Corporate and other vital records also go to film for archival preservation. You need the right machine to play a tape or read a disc. But with film all you need is a light and a microscope in a pinch.
so..in reality?
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Corporate and other vital records also go to film for archival preservation. You need the right machine to play a tape or read a disc. But with film all you need is a light and a microscope in a pinch.
Ive read a few interviews with Gene about his subject, well his idea of it anyway, which was different from the visual version on screen.
As said erlier, the clicking and grinding etc was a deliberate invention for the audience so as they knew something was happening in that grey box on the table. Simple. Story telling device, such as moving stars, sound in space and close ships.
Anyway, in an interview with Gene, if i remember correctly, he states that he envisioned computer systems so advanced that almost all phyical contact would be obsolete. Touch panels, voice commands and even direct mind control and silent running systems, bionic (or something similar) circuitry where there are no physical relays/wires or boards.
But, just like 24th century Trek, the only audible sounds are the distant drone of the engines and systems, beeps and clicks of the panels and computer alerts such as hails/notifications etc. Thats it, compare that to TOS and you have computer sounds aswell as engine drones and beeps etc. There are a lot more sounds to create a working environment in TOS, where as 24th Trek hasnt near as many. Yeah, its more advacned and silent running but hey.
Hell, if you listen very carefuly in TOS bridge scenes, there are reports coming in from different departments/decks every now and then, to me thats the best post-production effect, that they have gone to great lengths to create a real working vessle with status updates and reports coming in in the background, almost in-audible but still there.
I cant remember where i read this interview so dont ask for sources. Im googling it now.
As said erlier, the clicking and grinding etc was a deliberate invention for the audience so as they knew something was happening in that grey box on the table. Simple. Story telling device, such as moving stars, sound in space and close ships.
Anyway, in an interview with Gene, if i remember correctly, he states that he envisioned computer systems so advanced that almost all phyical contact would be obsolete. Touch panels, voice commands and even direct mind control and silent running systems, bionic (or something similar) circuitry where there are no physical relays/wires or boards.
But, just like 24th century Trek, the only audible sounds are the distant drone of the engines and systems, beeps and clicks of the panels and computer alerts such as hails/notifications etc. Thats it, compare that to TOS and you have computer sounds aswell as engine drones and beeps etc. There are a lot more sounds to create a working environment in TOS, where as 24th Trek hasnt near as many. Yeah, its more advacned and silent running but hey.
Hell, if you listen very carefuly in TOS bridge scenes, there are reports coming in from different departments/decks every now and then, to me thats the best post-production effect, that they have gone to great lengths to create a real working vessle with status updates and reports coming in in the background, almost in-audible but still there.
I cant remember where i read this interview so dont ask for sources. Im googling it now.
Except they're always the exact same status reports. Every single time, they just reran the same loop. You can hear certain phrases over and over in many episodes, like, "AG section acknowledging. The gravity's down to point-eight here!"
Film negatives do decay though.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Testing seems to suggest that long-term storage for certain kinds of masters with current stocks would outlast the history of film, as in more than a century, given decent temperature conditions. If you actually study up on this stuff, it is kind of amazing, and for me reassuring, that analog methodologies continue to have some advantages over the knee-jerk assumption that digital-HAS-to-be-better-cuz-its-newer.
Still, the ideal would be to develop a medium that can last indefinitely without needing special conditions. Civilizations fall, refrigerators stop running, vacuum seals get broken or eroded. Our civilization needs something with the durability of marble, or beyond, if we want future historians to know what we thought and did and created.
Of course, what survives a civilization isn't always what that civilization would expect. I learned this from my Uncle Emmett, who for a long time was the world's leading authority on the study of ancient clay tablets from the Mycenean civilization. Those clay tablets were seen as a disposable, temporary writing medium, used for everyday things like inventory lists, sales receipts, that sort of thing. Whereas the important writings were done on some medium believed to be more permanent, probably parchment or something (I forget -- sorry, Emmett). But when the cities burned, the important writings of kings and scholars and philosophers were consumed by the flames, but the inventory lists and receipts and everyday, disposable stuff was baked into a durable form that survived down through the millennia.
Of course, what survives a civilization isn't always what that civilization would expect. I learned this from my Uncle Emmett, who for a long time was the world's leading authority on the study of ancient clay tablets from the Mycenean civilization. Those clay tablets were seen as a disposable, temporary writing medium, used for everyday things like inventory lists, sales receipts, that sort of thing. Whereas the important writings were done on some medium believed to be more permanent, probably parchment or something (I forget -- sorry, Emmett). But when the cities burned, the important writings of kings and scholars and philosophers were consumed by the flames, but the inventory lists and receipts and everyday, disposable stuff was baked into a durable form that survived down through the millennia.
The durability of marble? Acid rain doesn't do it much good.
I saw an interesting display at the Los Angeles art museum of clay statues from 1st and 2nd century India and they were amazingly well preserved. They just had general scratches and cuts; 99% of the detail was still there.
And literalism doesn't do metaphors much good.
Huh? That's pretty much the key to metaphors.
^^In what sense? Metaphors are figurative language. By definition, they aren't supposed to be taken literally.
Nardpuncher
Rear Admiral
Y'know...here I go again on you Christopher, but that "Sigh..." thing just irks me so.
It's just a rude thing to do. I mean, maybe nobody told you, so I'll do it. The internet, including these forums, are just for people to talk about stuff. You don't always have to correct or amend or question people's opinions. I just sincerely hope you don't act so condescendingly (oh oh..is that even a word?) in real life. Or else there's another sad Trekkie sitting at home alone on a Saturday night.
But I know your mother told you not to dignify these kind of posts with a response.
Hm well this stuff confuses me. English was not the best of my subjects. However, you said we should create something as "durable as marble" and marble isn't durable (I checked with a geolgist friend of mine to make sure I wasn't confusing rocks). It still has to make some measure of sense at least.
Nardpuncher
Rear Admiral
Reminds me of a time when I was talking to a friend about how nobody should try to have sex with another man's wife by saying " You don't mow another man's grass," to which my friend jokingly countered " But wouldn't you want someone to mow your grass when you're on vacation?"
That obviously broke the metaphor by by using it in an unintended way.
Technology has improved much in over the years.
GodThingFormerly
A Different Kind of Asshole
Not that much. A context-sensitive natural language interface is still well over the technological horizon, to say nothing of emulating uploaded human personalities (or parts thereof) a la The Ultimate Computer.
TGT
Which were the kinds of things that we studied when I got my minor in History with an emphasis on ancient civilizations and Asian cultures. I had one professor say that you could tell a lot about a civilization by it's bills, receipts and inventory lists.
And I'd be mighty impressed by a computer, however primitive its user interface, which could by itself whip up the theory and specifications for transporting things into another dimension.
The effects sound about right to my memory of 60's computers... punch cards.
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