So I rewatched XI for the 3rd time and I noticed something odd

[Nerys Myk]

It does seem odd that a twelve year old punk would listen to classical music while stealing a car.

And the Cardassian poet living on Vulcan is a continuity anomaly which should be ignored. Aside from that, there is no evidence the Cardassians were known to the Federation before the 24th century.

He stole the car, I doubt the music was his. He probably just picked a song he liked.

Not counting the evidence you want to ignore.

 

[Devon]

He stole the car, I doubt the music was his. He probably just picked a song he liked.

I just remember him pushing the "Media" button and it started playing. Didn't seem like he really put much thought into the song selection.

but the Beastie Boys were NOT so popular (unlike Mozart) that they would be listened to TWO HUNDRED years later.

Doesn't matter. A band doesn't have to be popular to be listened to in any time frame. There is absolutely zero reason to assume that someone can't listen to them in the future, popular or not.

 

[KobayashiMaru13]

It does seem odd that a twelve year old punk would listen to classical music while stealing a car.

And the Cardassian poet living on Vulcan is a continuity anomaly which should be ignored. Aside from that, there is no evidence the Cardassians were known to the Federation before the 24th century.

yes, someone finally sees the light!

 

[Nerys Myk]

It does seem odd that a twelve year old punk would listen to classical music while stealing a car.

And the Cardassian poet living on Vulcan is a continuity anomaly which should be ignored. Aside from that, there is no evidence the Cardassians were known to the Federation before the 24th century.

yes, someone finally sees the light!

No evidence that they weren't either. Silly to assume that the first mention of them is relative to when the UFP met them unless its specifically a first contact situation.

But if we are discounting stuff we dont like....

Let me get my list.

 

[Withers]

What's all this hatin' on the Beastie Boys about anyway? Sure, they're not Beyonce right now, but they were the shit back in their prime. licensed to Ill and Hello Nasty are unforgettable albums if you were at all a part of the music scene during the mid 80's to the late 90's (at which time I would've been like... 10 and I still remember them.) It's not like a Celine Dion or Back Street Boys song came blaring out of the radio... c'mon.


-Withers-​

 

[Aragorn]

Think of space exploration like early world exploration and trading. Humans don't have to know Cardassians specifically to have a drink of theirs -- they just need to know an alien who knows an alien who knows an alien.

 

[CDR6]

The whole scene with the car could have been left on the cutting room floor. The Anikin-Krikwalker thing smacked to much of Star Wars Ep 1 and the story suffered because of it. (We establish Kirk as a "prick with ears" a few scenes later anyway.)

The old earth tech look was one of the things that really lost it for me.
I do hope they get better on the next outing.

 

[Devon]

It does seem odd that a twelve year old punk would listen to classical music while stealing a car.

But not impossible, correct? Whether it's "odd" or not has no bearing on the fact that a 12 year old was shown to have been doing just that.

And the Cardassian poet living on Vulcan is a continuity anomaly which should be ignored.

Why? What did it contradict?

Aside from that, there is no evidence the Cardassians were known to the Federation before the 24th century.

What evidence suggested that they weren't? Funny as Uhura ordered one of their products (or a product bearing their name) then it would seem clear that they were aware of them by this point.

It does seem odd that a twelve year old punk would listen to classical music while stealing a car.

And the Cardassian poet living on Vulcan is a continuity anomaly which should be ignored. Aside from that, there is no evidence the Cardassians were known to the Federation before the 24th century.

yes, someone finally sees the light!

Noooo. Pay attention to the other posts here please.

Perhaps you should look at this post for "the light"

Think of space exploration like early world exploration and trading. Humans don't have to know Cardassians specifically to have a drink of theirs -- they just need to know an alien who knows an alien who knows an alien.

 

[KobayashiMaru13]

What's all this hatin' on the Beastie Boys about anyway? Sure, they're not Beyonce right now, but they were the shit back in their prime. licensed to Ill and Hello Nasty are unforgettable albums if you were at all a part of the music scene during the mid 80's to the late 90's (at which time I would've been like... 10 and I still remember them.) It's not like a Celine Dion or Back Street Boys song came blaring out of the radio... c'mon.


-Withers-​

Not at all. I LIKE the Beastie Boys, and I LIKE Sabatoge, it just seems doubtful to me that their music would still be around two hundred years after the fact. But maybe I just watched too much TNG and TOS with all their classical music and absolutely no diverse musical culture. ::shrugs::

 

[KobayashiMaru13]

And the Cardassian poet living on Vulcan is a continuity anomaly which should be ignored.

Why? What did it contradict?

It contradicted the fact that Vulcans in almost every case do not associate with aliens outside of the Federation. Especially Cardassians that they would know nothing about at this time. The Federation and the the Cardassian Union would NOT have been allies. They weren't even before the Dominion War began.

 

[Nerys Myk]

And the Cardassian poet living on Vulcan is a continuity anomaly which should be ignored.

Why? What did it contradict?

It contradicted the fact that Vulcans in almost every case do not associate with aliens outside of the Federation. Especially Cardassians that they would know nothing about at this time. The Federation and the the Cardassian Union would NOT have been allies. They weren't even before the Dominion War began.

There was no Federation for most of the 22nd Century. On what basis to you assume the Vulcans had no knowledge of the Cardassians? At that time and before and the Vulcans were were sticking there noses in the business of all sorts of people (Earth, Andoria, Coridan, the Klingons). Also the man was in exile on Vulcan, which does not mean Vulcan (Or the UFP) and Cardassia were allies. Rather he thought it was a place of relative safety from the Cardassian Union.

 

[The Wormhole]

[Why? What did it contradict?

What evidence suggested that they weren't? Funny as Uhura ordered one of their products (or a product bearing their name) then it would seem clear that they were aware of them by this point.

The very idea violates the sanctity of my own personal canon, and should therefore be disregarded on those grounds. The terms of the Fanboy Charter allow me to be bitchy and contradictory and enforce my beliefs in matters of canon and continuity.

I am hereby declaring myself a True Trek Fan because I hold these beliefs. As is also my right under the Fanboy Charter.

 

[Nerys Myk]

[Why? What did it contradict?

What evidence suggested that they weren't? Funny as Uhura ordered one of their products (or a product bearing their name) then it would seem clear that they were aware of them by this point.

The very idea violates the sanctity of my own personal canon, and should therefore be disregarded on those grounds. The terms of the Fanboy Charter allow me to be bitchy and contradictory and enforce my beliefs in matters of canon and continuity.

I am hereby declaring myself a True Trek Fan because I hold these beliefs. As is also my right under the Fanboy Charter.

 

[The Wormhole]

Your approval satisfies me. Your legitimacy as a fan has gone up.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Your approval satisfies me. Your legitimacy as a fan has gone up.

I am in the top 010.

 

[KobayashiMaru13]

[Why? What did it contradict?

What evidence suggested that they weren't? Funny as Uhura ordered one of their products (or a product bearing their name) then it would seem clear that they were aware of them by this point.

The very idea violates the sanctity of my own personal canon, and should therefore be disregarded on those grounds. The terms of the Fanboy Charter allow me to be bitchy and contradictory and enforce my beliefs in matters of canon and continuity.

I am hereby declaring myself a True Trek Fan because I hold these beliefs. As is also my right under the Fanboy Charter.

Amen to that!

 

[Glacial]

I always assumed it was a show car, albeit with a more modern A/V system.

The Beastie Boys would thus be 'period music' for it to play -- Not totally accurate, but I'm sure in the 2240s, 1965 and 1994 are going to be seen as part of the same era.

 

[Nerys Myk]

In an deleted scene the car was said to be owned by George Kirk Sr., who like his son must of had a fondness for antiques.

 

[KobayashiMaru13]

^ In the car scenethe (step dad?) specifically says,"When you live in MY house, you follow MY rules, and that's MY car you're in--!" (granted not word for word, but quite nearly). so that would be the supposed step dad who has odd tastes.

 

[Devon]

it just seems doubtful to me that their music would still be around two hundred years after the fact.

Why not?

But maybe I just watched too much TNG and TOS with all their classical music and absolutely no diverse musical culture. ::shrugs::

Now you're seeing the light. Maybe.

It contradicted the fact that Vulcans in almost every case do not associate with aliens outside of the Federation.

This is obviously the exception.