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So.... France...

^ How lame.

Compared to the way that Thump is running the United States of America and projecting his impotence on the world stage, there are dozens of countries better than it, including that notorious warzone that is Sweden.
 
Nobody's claimed that Europe is anything near perfection... But let's examine a few key indicators for a "perfect" society:

Firstly, the Economist's "Democracy Index":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

The United States is considered a flawed democracy. Of the 20 nations considered to be "more free" than the U.S., 14 are in Europe.

Secondly, Human Development Index:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

The United States does indeed rank high on the HDI rankings, but of the 10 nations with a higher HDI score, 7 are in Europe. And all seven also rank higher on the Democracy Index.

Thirdly, life expectancy at birth:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

30 nations have a higher life expectancy than the United States. Of those 30 nations, 21 are in Europe.

(Noticing a trend here?)

Fourth, we could look at educational attainment by country:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...ment#Countries_by_Level_of_Tertiary_Education

Of the 18 countries that have a higher rate of university (4 year) degree attainment, 14 are in Europe.
Of the 25 countries that have a higher rate of post-graduate (6 year) degree attainment... ALL 25 ARE IN EUROPE.
^ How lame.
Nope, sorry, I'm not going to tolerate that shit. You can respond with your usual nonsense counterpoints, or you can preferably not respond at all if you have nothing constructive to add, but I'll be damned if you're gonna pull some dismissive and insulting "last word" drive-by crap again after GabyBee took the time and effort to refute what barely passed for an argument from you with facts from reputable sources. You talk about respectful dialogue all the time as if namecalling is the only way to be disrespectful, but here you have a poster who is willing to engage with you in a respectful tone with evidence and you are completely rude to her in return because you are incapable of refuting her argument. Stop that. You aren't "winning" anything by obnoxiously continuing the argument for no reason.

Infraction for spamming and trolling (just a single infraction). Comments to PM.
 
^ Shaking my damn head, as they say. Some of those other nations that you scorn are doing better at renewable energy than we are. And, no, I will never accept things as they are, because they can be changed. Pressure from citizens can work wonders. It's before your time I assume, but those of us who took to the streets to oppose the Vietnam war helped end it.

Whilst the USA is one of the largest producers of renewable eneregy generation in terms of percentage this is not refelected as a percentage of power generated from renewable sources.

In terms of the G7

Canada - 64.5%
Italy 45.9%
Germany 32.7%
UK - 22.3%
France - 17.4%
Japan 15.5%
USA - 14.3%

as for other European Countries

Portugal - 44.5%
Finland - 41.8%
Sweden - 60.2%
Denmark 56.6%
Spain - 31%
Austria 78.4%

I could list more.

What about China and India

China - 24.4%
India - 19.1%

In case you are intereseted Russia comes in at 16.6%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_production_from_renewable_sources
 
It makes me wonder why the US has been downgraded to a flawed democracy, though.

This link says that the downgrade doesn't have to do with Trump's election (but rather, that they ascribe that to the same underlying causes) and that

The US’s overall “Democracy Index” score fell from 8.05 in 2015 to 7.98 in 2016 – just below the EIU’s threshold of 8.00 for a “full democracy.” The analysts write that a key factor in the drop was Americans’ growing distrust in governmental institutions.

But that in itself sounds like something a lot of Europeans complain about, too (you should hear the whining about the EU here). Is that really worse in the US?
 
But that in itself sounds like something a lot of Europeans complain about, too (you should hear the whining about the EU here). Is that really worse in the US?

I'm not even American but from all I can tell it's indeed much worse in the US. And then you add stuff like strategic voter suppression in primarily minority areas, the abundance of conspiracy theories, the level of honesty in political discourse and probably lots more.
 
It makes me wonder why the US has been downgraded to a flawed democracy, though.

This link says that the downgrade doesn't have to do with Trump's election (but rather, that they ascribe that to the same underlying causes) and that



But that in itself sounds like something a lot of Europeans complain about, too (you should hear the whining about the EU here). Is that really worse in the US?

But wouldn't the index look at individual countries within the EU, rather than the EU as a whole?

Is part of it down that the USA is more polarised when it comes to politics and parties in particular? Or perhaps it's a case the two main parties in the US are two far apart on the left-right spectrum whilst in other countries they are closer together so instead of being on the right and left they are centre-right and centre-left.
 
But wouldn't the index look at individual countries within the EU, rather than the EU as a whole?

True. And I suppose the index would ignore the EU (and all the attitudes its inhabitants have to it) as it is not a political entity in the sense the U.S. is and only measure the degree of trust (or distrust) people have towards their own national government. Yet the EU has a great deal of influence on how nations conduct their affairs, and EU members have handed over part of their sovereignty. I wonder if that would be reflected in such national figures, or that EU attitudes should be weighted in a separate index to gain a complete picture.
 
It makes me wonder why the US has been downgraded to a flawed democracy, though.

A good example would be North Carolina's Republican controlled state legislature promptly stripping the powers of the state Governor immediately after the Democratic candidate won the gubernatorial race there.

Or that despite near universal approval in opinion polling, policies such as background checks for gun purchases, regulating Wall Street speculation, reforming the role of money in politics, etc. are nearly universally stonewalled in Congress. By Republicans in most cases.
 
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