So did troi ever face court martial for crashing the enterprise
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I don't think Troi would have recived any punishment or investigation. It's not like she was the ships pilot or anything. And the ship had already taken heavy damage when she took over. Not to mention that her navigational options were limited by how long it took to evacuate the Battle Section.
I don't envision anyone in the Command Crew really coming under scrutiny, even though the ship was destroyed, the mission was a success, they did prevent the destruction of an inhabited system. A much different scenario than when PIcard lost the Stargazer as a result of a battle with an unknown ship. Starflet likly went through the motions of the standard procedures but I'm sure they were less concerned with chewing out Picard or Riker than they were why the transporter sensors didn't detect the bug in Geordi's VISOR, and why the ships sensors didn't detect the ilict signal.
I don't envision anyone in the Command Crew really coming under scrutiny, even though the ship was destroyed, the mission was a success, they did prevent the destruction of an inhabited system. A much different scenario than when PIcard lost the Stargazer as a result of a battle with an unknown ship. Starflet likly went through the motions of the standard procedures but I'm sure they were less concerned with chewing out Picard or Riker than they were why the transporter sensors didn't detect the bug in Geordi's VISOR, and why the ships sensors didn't detect the ilict signal.
If anyone should be court martialed it should be worf for firing a total of ONE phaser shots and no photons at the BOP that they could have destroyed easily according to movie dialoge just a few minutes before.
There's actually a video on YouTube with Marina Sirtis' reaction to her bad driving in both films. And, as you might have guessed, with humorous results. 
^Thanks! I'd been looking for that for ages.
There's actually a video on YouTube with Marina Sirtis' reaction to her bad driving in both films. And, as you might have guessed, with humorous results.
That was pretty funny.
i could see both riker and picard for having responsibility more so then troi.
for one thing it was known that geordi's visor could be interferred with.
Picard was not on board the Enterprise-D at the time of battle, nor did he have knowledge the ship crashed.
Riker is essentially speaking the only one responsible for the loss of the ship.
Honestly, he could have pulverized the BoP with 5 or 10 torpedoes and several phaser shots.
But no, the only thing we got was a mere phaser shot and a singular torpedo when they were able to bring the BoP shields down.
Most idiotic battle in SF history ... and the most incompetent leadership at that.
Instead of a court marshal and dismissal from SF, he get's offered a NEW ship.
Honestly now, I know he's one of the main cast, but that's just moronic.
IIRC, Picard offered himself to get Geordi back so they weren't on board at the same time.
If there were court martials, I'd imagine three people who would have to answer some questions.
1. Riker--he was in command at the time and had ultimate responsibility (not to mention that he has a habit of getting the Enterprise into trouble--see Rascals). I would assume that he also cleared Geordie to return to duty immediately after being returned from the Klingon ship.
2. Beverly Crusher/Worf--Geordie returns to the Enterprise after being held prisioner, and he is only given a cursory inspection. C'mon, nobody thought, "hey those video transmissions might be important, we should check them out!!!" Either the doctor, or most likely security should have checked Geordie's belongings.
3. Geordie himself. First, if anyone could have figured it out, Geordie should have checked his visor for extra crap especially since this wouldn't be the first time extra things were added without his permission/knowledge. Secondly, shield frequencies are supposed to ROTATE to prevent an enemy ship from getting the proper frequency. Not only were the shilds not rotating, but the frequency was posted on a monitor. Sloppy, Geordie, sloppy.
1. Riker--he was in command at the time and had ultimate responsibility (not to mention that he has a habit of getting the Enterprise into trouble--see Rascals). I would assume that he also cleared Geordie to return to duty immediately after being returned from the Klingon ship.
2. Beverly Crusher/Worf--Geordie returns to the Enterprise after being held prisioner, and he is only given a cursory inspection. C'mon, nobody thought, "hey those video transmissions might be important, we should check them out!!!" Either the doctor, or most likely security should have checked Geordie's belongings.
3. Geordie himself. First, if anyone could have figured it out, Geordie should have checked his visor for extra crap especially since this wouldn't be the first time extra things were added without his permission/knowledge. Secondly, shield frequencies are supposed to ROTATE to prevent an enemy ship from getting the proper frequency. Not only were the shilds not rotating, but the frequency was posted on a monitor. Sloppy, Geordie, sloppy.
Pretty accurate. Since that fiasco none of the crew has been seen again.
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I imagine that the fact she solved a murder case single handed earnt her a bit of leniency. Picard is on record as saying that he thinks blindly following orders is not a good thing for his senior officers, and it is not what officers even in modern militaries are trained to do.
Basically Crusher made a choice and was totally willing to face the consequences, and she was right and got away with it. She could also have been wrong and been seriously reprimanded (if not quite drummed out of Starfleet).
Also, out there in space, the Captain probably is eminently empowered to cover for his underlings. Picard could have simply chosen not to file reports on the more questionable things his crew did, trusting that other eyewitnesses such as representatives of hostile governments wouldn't be inclined to leak the news to Starfleet.
More than once, we saw COs hiding from Starfleet the fact that an underling had resigned, done questionable things and then returned to duty; Picard and Sisko simply chose not to forward the letters of resignation, or otherwise make official log entries.
That's an obvious one.
Not so obvious. All indications were that Soran was a tech wizard with skills beyond those of mere UFP mortals. The bugging device could have been inherently undiscoverable and untrackable. Granted, theoretically our officers could have disposed of all of LaForge's possessions and replicated new ones for him, out of fear of the originals being bugged with malicious nanotech or something. But they'd really have to do the same to LaForge's body, too. If the transporter filters didn't notice anything amiss, then there'd be nothing further to be done.
I'd bet he did inspect the VISOR and it checked out all right. Moreover, I'm sure he rotated the shields the first thing after realizing that they weren't working properly. But a fat lot of good that would do...
LaForge: "Commander, I have rotated the shields to 378 megacycles!" (Glances at the readout)
Lursa: "Aha! Set weapons to 378 megacycles!"
LaForge: "What the hell? Hansen, help me rotate the shields again!" (Checks out the display, thinks to himself "All right, 326 megacycles should put an end to this.")
B'Etor: "Set weapons to 326 megacycles!"
LaForge: "How are they doing that? I didn't even say it out loud over a comm channel the second time around! Are you a Klingon-Romulan spy, Hansen?"
Timo Saloniemi
More than once, we saw COs hiding from Starfleet the fact that an underling had resigned, done questionable things and then returned to duty; Picard and Sisko simply chose not to forward the letters of resignation, or otherwise make official log entries.
That's an obvious one.
Not so obvious. All indications were that Soran was a tech wizard with skills beyond those of mere UFP mortals. The bugging device could have been inherently undiscoverable and untrackable. Granted, theoretically our officers could have disposed of all of LaForge's possessions and replicated new ones for him, out of fear of the originals being bugged with malicious nanotech or something. But they'd really have to do the same to LaForge's body, too. If the transporter filters didn't notice anything amiss, then there'd be nothing further to be done.
I'd bet he did inspect the VISOR and it checked out all right. Moreover, I'm sure he rotated the shields the first thing after realizing that they weren't working properly. But a fat lot of good that would do...
LaForge: "Commander, I have rotated the shields to 378 megacycles!" (Glances at the readout)
Lursa: "Aha! Set weapons to 378 megacycles!"
LaForge: "What the hell? Hansen, help me rotate the shields again!" (Checks out the display, thinks to himself "All right, 326 megacycles should put an end to this.")
B'Etor: "Set weapons to 326 megacycles!"
LaForge: "How are they doing that? I didn't even say it out loud over a comm channel the second time around! Are you a Klingon-Romulan spy, Hansen?"
Timo Saloniemi
A thought on the Geordi issue: I'd always though that there would have been some high level discussions over whether it was safe to have VISORed individuals in critical positions after the events of Generations (after all, they did lose the flagship).
But it just struck me that Geordi is never seen with a VISOR after Generations. Could it be that the eye-implants were an upgrade that was introduced as a result? It seems to pass muster as a retcon.
But it just struck me that Geordi is never seen with a VISOR after Generations. Could it be that the eye-implants were an upgrade that was introduced as a result? It seems to pass muster as a retcon.
No, because she's a woman.
Therefore, she cannot realistically be expected to fly/drive/pilot/ anything.
Oh no he didn't!
Makes good sense. Then again, the incident wasn't really VISOR-specific. Soran could have implanted the spying device just about anywhere. Say, perhaps he captured Picard? He could then put the device in Picard's artificial heart, or in his brain where some Borg hardware apparently lingers, and camouflage it sufficiently that Crusher couldn't tell there was more machinery in Picard's body than usual. Should Picard's heart be ripped out, then, as a security precaution?
Oh, and as for this:
We only see one phaser shot and one torpedo shot, granted. However, during the battle, we hear many times the sounds of the Enterprise weapons firing. It's the director's fault for not insisting on exterior visuals that would show this. Of course, for the plot it is more valuable for us to see that the Klingons are firing than that the heroes are firing back, and the budget may have been better spent showing us Klingon fire rather than Starfleet fire, but still...
Clearly, the BoP was a tougher nut to crack than she should have been. And the Duras sisters seemed as surprised about this as anybody else. Their victorious, frankly quite amazed cry "Our shields are holding!" would seem to suggest that Soran did a bit of boosting in that department, and that the sisters didn't originally put much faith in it but got pleasantly surprised in the end.
Timo Saloniemi
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