Body shaming is not approved of in these parts, and is completely unnecessary to the point you're making. Let's not do this again.
Spoilers So, about Rios’s fate…
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Not as much in reality as in Hollywood, though. I've been in a lot of bars in my life, and only once have I ever seen an honest-to-gosh bar fight break out!...
Same thing with gun fights in Westerns.
I still want to "Chrono Trigger" Body Swap Rios right before his final moments in time and bring him back to the 24th century after he's led a good life and was about to die.
Heal him up, explain what happened, catch him up on what he missed.
I really liked Rio's character and want him back.
Heal him up, explain what happened, catch him up on what he missed.
I really liked Rio's character and want him back.
Are you even really in Starfleet unless you've died and come back to life a couple times?
Is there a article in Memory Alpha on all the characters who have literally come back from death itself?
Nevermind, found it.
The Memory Alpha article on Ressurection!
So we have:
1) Spock
2) Hugh Culber
3) Shax
4) Elnor
5) Gray Tal
6) Data (Arguable if it's Resurrection or just Reactivating him)
7) Picard
8) Neelix (From the Tuvix incident / Resurrected by Seven's Borg Nano-probes)
9) Tuvok (From the Tuvix incident)
I know I'm probably missing more characters who have resurrected from the dead.
Can anybody help fill in the blanks.
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IIRC, Santiago Cabrera always planned to depart after S2.
Makes some sense to me, although I'm still sad to see all four of them "shown the door".
We have Kirk if you count the novels, Kelvin Kirk thanks to augment blood, Scotty thanks to NOMAD, Worf thanks to John Doe, Trip and Hoshi thanks to Organians, Yar kinda'/sorta' thanks to time travel...
We can count just about every one if you include missing/presumed dead characters who turned out to be alive.
bar fight with Zefram Cochrane. Rios was about to win then he realised who he was fighting.
That fight put Cochrane on the straight and narrow. Mostly.
Harry and Nayomi died and were replaced by parallel universe counterparts.
There are all the Timeless, Year of Hell and Endgame deaths…
Originally, "Picard" was only to have two seasons.
Terry Matalas has admitted as much, yes. Despite what has been written above, we don't actually know what the contractual situation was for any of them. We do know that the show was originally commissioned as a one-off limited season, and was then renewed for seasons two and three (the two seasons were commissioned together, if I recall correctly) - and there was talk about those two seasons being filmed back to back from the start, long before covid disrupted things. At the time, there was cheerful talk from behind the scenes of how they would keep the show going as long as Patrick Stewart wanted to continue. But then covid shut down production for a year, with a change of showrunner along the way, both of which probably had a fairly major impact on plans for the show's development.
We also know that the supporting characters were announced and promoted as the ensemble cast of the show in the run-up to S1, and that the actors were again promoted as the ensemble cast of the show in the pre-season press for S2 - this despite the fact that two of them (Isa Briones and Orla Brady) weren't actually playing their original characters (the pre-season press did not mention this) and despite the fact that Briones and Evagora in particular were effectively downgraded to glorified extras for most of the season.
It was after S2 aired that Matalas admitted the decks had been cleared ready for the returning TNG characters in S3. But we don't know how early the decision was made to bring all the TNG cast back in S3, given that when the show was first developed, all the talk was about how it was not going to be TNG2.0 and that we shouldn't expect to see all the TNG cast returning. Somewhere along the line, that resolution was changed.
Basically, it all seems to have been very messy. Usually, the standing cast of a show remains the standing cast of the show throughout, maybe with a character or two leaving and being replaced here and there along the way, but clearing out almost the entire cast of a show to replace them with the entire cast of another show is not usual.
The supporting characters could've worked, if the showrunners had any interest in their development. I thought these streaming things are too "event" driven instead of making the story prime the personalities to discover new dimensions.
Here‘s where I‘m confused:
Young Guinan did not recognize Picard because it was an alternate version of 2024, because there was no prime future Picard to have met her in the 19th century - it was the past of the dystopian alternate 25th century.
Now they are all back, timeline is restored, shouldn‘t that version of 2024 also have vanished? Just like the 25th century was reset with Elnor being there. How can Rios still be in a 2024 that‘s now the Federation‘s past with a prime Guinan?
Young Guinan did not recognize Picard because it was an alternate version of 2024, because there was no prime future Picard to have met her in the 19th century - it was the past of the dystopian alternate 25th century.
Now they are all back, timeline is restored, shouldn‘t that version of 2024 also have vanished? Just like the 25th century was reset with Elnor being there. How can Rios still be in a 2024 that‘s now the Federation‘s past with a prime Guinan?
Temporal Wake...
Maybe it did.
The timeline probably changed around him. Kind of like in Back to the Future II when Jennifer is left on the front porch of her house in an alternate 1985 but wakes up in the real one.
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