SNW uniforms and characters revealed (old and new)
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I personally would flip 3 & 4, particularly on the "officers only Starfleet" point as it is contradicted by a multitude of sources within groups 1, 2 & 4, so the fact that Gene suggested in his guidelines that this is not the case can easily be discounted.
That this may be so in this case is not a reason to treat unused writing in general as more significant than the intentions of those who had the final say and chose not to use it.
I think it's appropriate to consider the intent of such declarations, particularly where it can be reconciled with higher material, but if even the people making the statements eventually discard them (as happened in this case), then there's little reason to hold them as facts.
The intention for instance of the "officers only" concept was likely for instance influenced by his time in the police (where "enlisted" personal are also officers), combined with a wish to avoid showing the "social segregation" of the old school "Officers and Crew" system, which I would suggest is an element that did make it into the aired episodes in a different form.
He may also have realised that the "academic elitism" inherent in a "officers only" system actually runs contrary to his primary intent, and therefore dropped that part of it as inessential to his main goal.
The intention for instance of the "officers only" concept was likely for instance influenced by his time in the police (where "enlisted" personal are also officers), combined with a wish to avoid showing the "social segregation" of the old school "Officers and Crew" system, which I would suggest is an element that did make it into the aired episodes in a different form.
He may also have realised that the "academic elitism" inherent in a "officers only" system actually runs contrary to his primary intent, and therefore dropped that part of it as inessential to his main goal.
The point of everything i posted was that there are no canonical "facts" associated with unaired material.
Do I think that what a producer said is generally more significant than a line or two in a script that he discarded? Of course I do.
My point is that there's no "canonical fact" to discarded or heavily modified early concepts by producers either.
And certainly not to the extent that they override the obvious facts that can be derived from canon, as many people claim should be the case here, though you don't appear to have that extreme a PoV, so thank you.
Arguable therefore it could be argued that it's more of a:
1: Aired Material
2: Additional Footage (and sometimes minor details from props etc that probably weren't intended to be visible)
3: BTS declarations and unproduced and/or deleted information from scripts, concept drawings et al.
And certainly not to the extent that they override the obvious facts that can be derived from canon, as many people claim should be the case here, though you don't appear to have that extreme a PoV, so thank you.
Arguable therefore it could be argued that it's more of a:
1: Aired Material
2: Additional Footage (and sometimes minor details from props etc that probably weren't intended to be visible)
3: BTS declarations and unproduced and/or deleted information from scripts, concept drawings et al.
That grey, red shouldered cadet uniform Uhura arrives in has to be the ugliest uniform in Star Trek's entire history.
And that includes "All Good Things"
And that includes "All Good Things"
It's not pretty, that's for sure.
Better than early TNG, especially admirals uniforms.
I somewhat agree, but I like sharing my personal 'head-canon' thoughts with others.
I also certainly don't expect them to agree with me at all.
(though it is nice to get an occasional 'Like')
I'm hanging on to the "Lizards" though, I want my Trek to be weird occasionally.
"Spock's Brain" began that inclination when I was a kid.
I somewhat agree, but I like sharing my personal 'head-canon' thoughts with others.
I also certainly don't expect them to agree with me at all.
(though it is nice to get an occasional 'Like')
I'm hanging on to the "Lizards" though, I want my Trek to be weird occasionally.
"Spock's Brain" began that inclination when I was a kid.
Ah, "Spock's Brain"...for me there will NEVER be another written line in Star Trek that matches the brilliance, or eloquence of:
"...Brain and Brain!...WHAT IS BRAIN??!!..."
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There is a certain poetry to it.
George Lucas: "It rhymes."
More justification to get rid of the seperation of "Officers" & "Enlisted crew".In the TOS Bible, the Enterprise (and Starfleet) was referred to as "semi-military."
There should be one Ranking system and no more division between "Commissioned Officers" & "Non-Commissioned Officers".
Everybody is a StarFleet Officer, one rank structure, one standardized StarFleet Academy.
They did.
The separation is between upper decks and lower decks.
Much better.
The separation is between upper decks and lower decks.
Much better.
Yeah, it's not pretty and they could have done much better than that. TBH, the obvious and simple way would have been the standard uniform top (or dress) but in gray instead of division color, then flip her to red once established on board. That would tie in with the appearance of Cadet Finnegan from TOS. That gray / black / red outfit is so unnecessary.
Better watch out, the "Author Intent" brigade will be out for your virtual blood!
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