SNW prop auction

[Ray Hardgrit]

Tell that to the people who are currently wetting themselves over the prospect of going back to the TNG era (By all means, let's bring the action to a screeching halt so Picard can make a speech. ).

Even if you discount Picard (the highest rated live action show of the Kurtzman era), it worked for Lower Decks and Prodigy.

 

[Dukhat]

If 31 had killed the format so completely then surely it would not have been entertained as an option, no?

It does not make sense to say we will never do one of these again but let's do one again.

Point keeps being missed. There is no correlation between the concept of doing TV movies, and CBS/Paramount initially wanting SNW season 5 to be just a two hour movie rather than a ten-episode season. No matter how good or bad Section 31 turned out to be, it had no effect on the people who wanted to kill SNW as quickly as possible short of just canceling season 5 altogether. Because if that was the case, then they would have given SFA a two-hour movie to end it instead of abruptly canceling it once season 2 was broadcast (with a cliffhanger ending, to boot.)

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Point keeps being missed

Hardly. Your exact words were "the TV movie thing died with Section 31" the fact that they would consider another one at all makes your statement factually inaccurate. That is my point.

 

[Dukhat]

Hardly. Your exact words were "the TV movie thing died with Section 31" the fact that they would consider another one at all makes your statement factually inaccurate. That is my point.

Except it did die. We are not getting any more TV movies, unless I am mistaken.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Except it did die. We are not getting any more TV movies, unless I am mistaken.

We are not. But had they not held the firstborn children of the higher ups hostage over a pit of alligator-shark-piranha tribrids then it would not have. And the fact it was considered means it was not dead immediately after 31's frosty reception as you claimed. It is dead now however. Along with probably the entire franchise.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Their enthusiasm for making TV movies died, making the idea of a brand new TV movie project like Year One unlikely.

But a TV movie to wrap up an existing series is more like a feature-length finale and it would inherit the audience of that series. Different thing.

 

[Dukhat]

We are not. But had they not held the firstborn children of the higher ups hostage over a pit of alligator-shark-piranha tribrids then it would not have. And the fact it was considered means it was not dead immediately after 31's frosty reception as you claimed. It is dead now however. Along with probably the entire franchise.

Here’s the likely scenario.

CBS/Paramount: We’re canceling SNW after season 4.

SNW producers: But we haven’t finished our story arc. It was supposed to go for 5 seasons!

CBS/Paramount: Okay, then we’ll give you what would have been the two hour series finale to wrap things up.

SNW producers: That’s not enough time!

CBS/Paramount: Ok fine, we’ll give you six episodes. But don’t expect our generosity to go further than that. Be lucky we’re giving you this much.


While this is completely conjecture, I’m reasonably sure the first concession had absolutely nothing to do with Paramount’s already known failure with dabbling in the TV movie format, and more to do with just finishing SNW as soon as possible.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Here’s the likely scenario.

No allisharkanhas? The internet would have me believe those in charge of star trek of the most diabolical order.

 

[Dukhat]

CBS/Paramount are assholes.

 

[Tuskin38]

the highest rated live action show of the Kurtzman era

Source that isn't IMDb?

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Average episode scores for the Kurtzman era so far, according to Trek BBS voters:

Star Trek: Prodigy - 8.6
Star Trek: Picard - 8.2
Star Trek: Lower Decks - 8.1
Star Trek: Strange New Worlds - 8.0
Star Trek: Discovery - 7.7
Star Trek: Short Treks - 7.5
Star Trek: Starfleet Academy - 7.3

 

[Firebird]

Hardly. Your exact words were "the TV movie thing died with Section 31" the fact that they would consider another one at all makes your statement factually inaccurate. That is my point.

I can see multiple things being true in this situation.

For instance, Fox was originally going to embark on a series of X-Men: Origins movies, starting with the Wolverine film, and then Magneto was going to be next. Magneto was very far into development (some script drafts just hit eBay recently), but the burgeoning franchise was killed by the one-two punch of not only Wolverine dying with critics and at the box office, but the WGA strike killing the internal momentum at the studio.

The under-performance of Section 31, combined with the impending merger(s), added up to the writing on the wall for the streaming movies.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

For instance, Fox was originally going to embark on a series of X-Men: Origins movies, starting with the Wolverine film, and then Magneto was going to be next. Magneto was very far into development (some script drafts just hit eBay recently), but the burgeoning franchise was killed by the one-two punch of not only Wolverine dying with critics and at the box office, but the WGA strike killing the internal momentum at the studio.

I thought Origins: Magneto just got repurposed into First Class. Like how Section 31 season 1 got reworked into a film.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Star Trek: Prodigy - 8.6
Star Trek: Picard - 8.2
Star Trek: Lower Decks - 8.1
Star Trek: Strange New Worlds - 8.0
Star Trek: Discovery - 7.7
Star Trek: Short Treks - 7.5
Star Trek: Starfleet Academy - 7.3

Those numbers are clustered together quite closely. I believe this website can legitimately market itself as being generally for Star Trek fans that actually like Star Trek unlike reddit or twitter.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Anyone get a prop?

 

[Mudd]

Tell that to the people who are currently wetting themselves over the prospect of going back to the TNG era (By all means, let's bring the action to a screeching halt so Picard can make a speech. )

I'd be more impressed if i hadn't been online for the goddamn "Captain Sulu" petition and campaign.

There's a nut for every screw, I suppose.

 

[Noname Given]

Here’s the likely scenario.

CBS/Paramount: We’re canceling SNW after season 4.

SNW producers: But we haven’t finished our story arc. It was supposed to go for 5 seasons!

CBS/Paramount: Okay, then we’ll give you what would have been the two hour series finale to wrap things up.

SNW producers: That’s not enough time!

CBS/Paramount: Ok fine, we’ll give you six episodes. But don’t expect our generosity to go further than that. Be lucky we’re giving you this much.


While this is completely conjecture, I’m reasonably sure the first concession had absolutely nothing to do with Paramount’s already known failure with dabbling in the TV movie format, and more to do with just finishing SNW as soon as possible.

Oh please, that scenario is as likely as them airing S&W season 5 immediately after they air season 4.. <--- There's another sure prediction of yours that didn't come to pass.

Star Trek Strange New Worlds is a very successful streaming series. If it wasn't it wouldn't have gotten 4 Seasons with Paramount Plus, much less a six episode 5th season.

And the cancellation of Star Fleet Academy doesn't mean that the new leadership at Paramount wants to kill Star Trek on Paramount Plus.

Star Fleet Academy was a victim of two things;

- Low Sreaming viewership for a very expensive series.

- The Skydance purchase of Paramount; and now the pending Paramount Warner Brothers purchase and merge.

Had SFA gotten huge streaming viewership ratings, they would have approved a Season 3.

I will say that while much of it was not to my particular taste, Alex kurtzman was more creative in his 10 years at the home of the Star Trek franchise, then Rick Berman and Brandon Braga were in their 18 years at the helm.

 

[Dukhat]

Oh please, that scenario is as likely as them airing S&W season 5 immediately after they air season 4.. <--- There's another sure prediction of yours that didn't come to pass.

Star Trek Strange New Worlds is a very successful streaming series. If it wasn't it wouldn't have gotten 4 Seasons with Paramount Plus, much less a six episode 5th season.

And the cancellation of Star Fleet Academy doesn't mean that the new leadership at Paramount wants to kill Star Trek on Paramount Plus.

Star Fleet Academy was a victim of two things;

- Low Sreaming viewership for a very expensive series.

- The Skydance purchase of Paramount; and now the pending Paramount Warner Brothers purchase and merge.

Had SFA gotten huge streaming viewership ratings, they would have approved a Season 3.

I will say that while much of it was not to my particular taste, Alex kurtzman was more creative in his 10 years at the home of the Star Trek franchise, then Rick Berman and Brandon Braga were in their 18 years at the helm.

None of that has anything to do with my assertion that Section 31 killed the TV movie format. And was there an announcement I didn’t hear yet that they’re not showing season 4 and 5 back to back? And even if they don’t…so what? Take a chill pill dude.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I will say that while much of it was not to my particular taste, Alex kurtzman was more creative in his 10 years at the home of the Star Trek franchise, then Rick Berman and Brandon Braga were in their 18 years at the helm.

Just to be pedantic, I don't think Rick Berman was really in a creative role on the shows until Enterprise in 2001. Brannon Braga started as an intern on TNG season 4, and eventually became showrunner for two seasons of Voyager before moving over to be co-showrunner of Enterprise.

I've no idea how much creative input Alex Kurtzman has on the modern series, it seems like he's only been co-showrunner on Discovery and Starfleet Academy. Mostly the future stories.

So it's a contest between the 22nd century and the 32nd century.

 

[Mudd]

In addition to fulfilling Roddenberry's role from about seasons 3-4 of TNG onward, Berman wrote for the show as early as 1990 and was one of the creators of DS9, Voyager and Enterprise.