Smallville10x21&22 "Finale" Discuss/Grade
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Sure it did.
It's sole purpose was to wipe Lex's memory. If you think otherwise, you're only deluding yourself.
^^ Uhhhh okay. My reaction was probably totally opposite those two's. I also have no idea why you randomally selected Proc in your little joke there Sammy.
@Checkmate...how am I deluding myself when Tess herself actually said that she was doing that to redeem herself? The character actually said that to Lex, and he had an understanding expression on his face. There was more to that scene than just the mind wipe. Okay...I'll conceed that the scene wasn't "more to do" that was the wrong phrase of words to use. Lex's mind wipe was the sole focus of the scene but it was also to conclude Tess's arc.
@Checkmate...how am I deluding myself when Tess herself actually said that she was doing that to redeem herself? The character actually said that to Lex, and he had an understanding expression on his face. There was more to that scene than just the mind wipe. Okay...I'll conceed that the scene wasn't "more to do" that was the wrong phrase of words to use. Lex's mind wipe was the sole focus of the scene but it was also to conclude Tess's arc.
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I'm not sure what the reason was they didn't have the suit but the hell with WB if it was actually them. They can have fun releasing their Superman film that will once again underperform at the box office. Smallville's been the only good Superman since Superman II.
I could have dealt with the finale better if the actual episode had been better. But what we got is a completely wasted for hour on Clark/Lois angst that ultimately led nowhere, followed by nearly an hour of Clark Kent wasting time and needed to have his hand held by his parents, Jor-El, Lois, and Lex, before an "epic" one punch fight against Darkseid. It's like a parody of everything wrong with Smallville...like the producers idea of a practical joke.
Someone noted that we didn't get the people of Metropolis's reaction to Superman. Their real reaction. I agree with this, especially not having a revealing shot. Superman continues to be more like The Blur in this episode and the name isn't even stated by anyone on-screen.
You were right, Admiral Young, there was no reason to expect otherwise from Smallville but I hoped I would be wrong.
Ah! I think I just need to relax and move on.
I could have dealt with the finale better if the actual episode had been better. But what we got is a completely wasted for hour on Clark/Lois angst that ultimately led nowhere, followed by nearly an hour of Clark Kent wasting time and needed to have his hand held by his parents, Jor-El, Lois, and Lex, before an "epic" one punch fight against Darkseid. It's like a parody of everything wrong with Smallville...like the producers idea of a practical joke.
Someone noted that we didn't get the people of Metropolis's reaction to Superman. Their real reaction. I agree with this, especially not having a revealing shot. Superman continues to be more like The Blur in this episode and the name isn't even stated by anyone on-screen.
You were right, Admiral Young, there was no reason to expect otherwise from Smallville but I hoped I would be wrong.
Ah! I think I just need to relax and move on.
The only way she had to wipe his memory was to bleed on him.
What master plan did she have to bleed on him if not to walk into his knife?
Which means she knew he was there in the office and she wanted to be stabbed.
Which is ridiculous but the only logical way of explaining the balls up that happened.
What master plan did she have to bleed on him if not to walk into his knife?
Which means she knew he was there in the office and she wanted to be stabbed.
Which is ridiculous but the only logical way of explaining the balls up that happened.
That Darkside and his minons were all taken out so easily was really disapointing.
I get that Lex's amnesia is to protect Clark's identity, but I didn't like that with complete amnesia Lex is still evil. Why couldn't Superman have tried to befriend him and guide him to be a better person?
I was disapointed about the suit, but whatever.
I thought a lot of the Jonathon ghost scenes were creepy.
I did get the impression that Chole was a single mother, possibly to free up Oliver for a spin off?
I was glad to see new Jimmy, we knew he would be there, and his role was foreshadowed enough to make it expected.
Side point, the actress who plays Granny Goodness has been fantastic, she hit the note of creepy maternal and sickly sweet evil perfectly.
I get that Lex's amnesia is to protect Clark's identity, but I didn't like that with complete amnesia Lex is still evil. Why couldn't Superman have tried to befriend him and guide him to be a better person?
I was disapointed about the suit, but whatever.
I thought a lot of the Jonathon ghost scenes were creepy.
I did get the impression that Chole was a single mother, possibly to free up Oliver for a spin off?
I was glad to see new Jimmy, we knew he would be there, and his role was foreshadowed enough to make it expected.
Side point, the actress who plays Granny Goodness has been fantastic, she hit the note of creepy maternal and sickly sweet evil perfectly.
Yeah, I don't like the idea that Lex was born evil. It's very lazy storyline. Now, if Lex was on the way of becoming evil but his intervention with Clark changed that, and then he lost his memories because of Tess, it would actually be a little clever. But I hated the complete memory wipe...I would have preferred if she had just erased knowledge of Clark's powers from his mind.
As I recall, didn't President Luthor learn Superman's secret identity, only to have it wiped from his mind and his computer?
As I recall, didn't President Luthor learn Superman's secret identity, only to have it wiped from his mind and his computer?
I don't like the whole idea of Lex being born evil or him considering himself to be the villain of the story. I like to think of him as the type of villain who sees himself as the hero of the story, that terrible things he does are for the greater good of humanity and anyone opposing him are just obstacles to that greater good.
That was years ago.
He learned and forgot about it all over again during the conclusion of that black ring saga in Action Comics last month.
It was so cool
Lex was telepathically in Superman's mind because he had become a god.
"You're an alien! You don't have real feelings like a human!"
"I don't have real feelings!? Well take a look at this!"
Then we see the image of Superman cradling and weeping over the corpse of Jonathan Kent at the farm, and Luthor is all... Hang on! Wait a second, that's your father? But that's Clark Kent's father... Almost there, almost there, by JOVE YOU'RE CLARK KENT!"
After losing his god powers a few pages later, he lost his god memories.
He learned and forgot about it all over again during the conclusion of that black ring saga in Action Comics last month.
It was so cool
Lex was telepathically in Superman's mind because he had become a god.
"You're an alien! You don't have real feelings like a human!"
"I don't have real feelings!? Well take a look at this!"
Then we see the image of Superman cradling and weeping over the corpse of Jonathan Kent at the farm, and Luthor is all... Hang on! Wait a second, that's your father? But that's Clark Kent's father... Almost there, almost there, by JOVE YOU'RE CLARK KENT!"
After losing his god powers a few pages later, he lost his god memories.
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Now, how much do you think that box set is gonna cost?
I was at Wal-Mart yesterday, and they have the first nine seasons of the series priced at $15 each. Find a sale like that, it'd be cheaper than gettin' the complete series set.
I am completely and utterly conflicted about the episode. Half of of me thought it was brilliant, and the other half thinks it was the most bloody awful piece of shit I've ever seen.
Part One really was a complete waste of time. Even at SV's lowest of low it never squandered away valuable screen-time in such epic proportions. Three of the acts were identical--I mean literally! It would would have been one thing to be that dreadfully repetitive in a mid-season filler, but this was the show's last episode. Then the proverbial salt in the wound is when we found out that they don't even get married, so the whole thing was just a total waste of time!
All in all, the whole Lex thing was stupid and pointless. Lutherstien's Monster was just absurd, even for a comic book show. But more than that, I feel like Lex was shoehorned into the show just for the sake of it. I think they should have just left him for dead.
For one thing, I just could never get excited over Rosenbaum returning as everyone else did. Never thought he was THAT great of an actor. It just that he was usually either opposite Glover who is one of those guys who is so fucking good he makes everyone around him better, or opposite Welling who is ... well, Welling. On his own, he just comes across as somewhat bland.
But the mind whip was plain stupid. Other than being a painfully trite DEM, it was also contradictory to the basic nurture v. nature element of the show and the whole point to the Clark/Lex dyad.. Hell, the episode's main theme was rooted in NvN. What were they thinking? It's like they paint an entire room red except one little corner just because they had a can of blue paint.
Freeman seemed to be the only one in the main cast who bothered to show up for work which is surprising because I'm surprised that when she was handed the script she didn't answer with a:
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There was a million other things wrong with it, but I don't want to bother.
That all said, the geek-out moments were awesome and there were enough of those throughout to hold my attention. Essentially I was the poor dog falling for the occasional snausage while someone jams stuff up my ass. I was too distracted to notice the shitfest while I was watching.
Ultimately though, they could have done better--well, at least had "they" been someone else.
Part One really was a complete waste of time. Even at SV's lowest of low it never squandered away valuable screen-time in such epic proportions. Three of the acts were identical--I mean literally! It would would have been one thing to be that dreadfully repetitive in a mid-season filler, but this was the show's last episode. Then the proverbial salt in the wound is when we found out that they don't even get married, so the whole thing was just a total waste of time!
All in all, the whole Lex thing was stupid and pointless. Lutherstien's Monster was just absurd, even for a comic book show. But more than that, I feel like Lex was shoehorned into the show just for the sake of it. I think they should have just left him for dead.
For one thing, I just could never get excited over Rosenbaum returning as everyone else did. Never thought he was THAT great of an actor. It just that he was usually either opposite Glover who is one of those guys who is so fucking good he makes everyone around him better, or opposite Welling who is ... well, Welling. On his own, he just comes across as somewhat bland.
But the mind whip was plain stupid. Other than being a painfully trite DEM, it was also contradictory to the basic nurture v. nature element of the show and the whole point to the Clark/Lex dyad.. Hell, the episode's main theme was rooted in NvN. What were they thinking? It's like they paint an entire room red except one little corner just because they had a can of blue paint.
Freeman seemed to be the only one in the main cast who bothered to show up for work which is surprising because I'm surprised that when she was handed the script she didn't answer with a:
.There was a million other things wrong with it, but I don't want to bother.
That all said, the geek-out moments were awesome and there were enough of those throughout to hold my attention. Essentially I was the poor dog falling for the occasional snausage while someone jams stuff up my ass. I was too distracted to notice the shitfest while I was watching.
Ultimately though, they could have done better--well, at least had "they" been someone else.
Freeman seemed to be the only one in the main cast who bothered to show up for work which is surprising because I'm surprised that when she was handed the script she didn't answer with a:
Cassidy Freeman is a seasoned pro at giving solid work for WTF scripts.
What??? WHAT!!!???? TEN SHITTY ANGSTY SEASONS AND WE DON'T SEE HIM IN THE FUCKING SUIT!!!???? AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
And on further reflection, that sentence could've probably used some more punctuation.
I voted excellent.
Except for the god aweful CGI and TW appearrantly not wanting to be seen as Superman in the suit, I thought it ended the way it was supposed to.
As for all the bitching and moaning that has gone on, "C'mon man!!! This is "Smallville", NOT the New New Adventures of Superman"! For all those that condemn the episode that haven't been faithful viewers through all 10 seasons is just full of utter BS.
I went into this show cautious of all the news I read about it ( NTNF, Clark and Lex becoming "BBF's"...etc.) that I have always thought it was a kind of "Elseworlds" take on the mythos. And do know what?...it worked.
Except for the god aweful CGI and TW appearrantly not wanting to be seen as Superman in the suit, I thought it ended the way it was supposed to.
As for all the bitching and moaning that has gone on, "C'mon man!!! This is "Smallville", NOT the New New Adventures of Superman"! For all those that condemn the episode that haven't been faithful viewers through all 10 seasons is just full of utter BS.
I went into this show cautious of all the news I read about it ( NTNF, Clark and Lex becoming "BBF's"...etc.) that I have always thought it was a kind of "Elseworlds" take on the mythos. And do know what?...it worked.
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Jetfire
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Ok, Officially...
Quite a jump in that last half hour.
Wow, that was bad.
An hour-and-a-half of everyone telling Clark how awesome he is and that it's his time, so long as he embraces both his human and Kryptonian side (a conflict he's resolved how many times now?). He's ultimately inspired by a Jor-El induced montage of.....himself?
Follow with another "his greatest challenge) foe that is built up over an entire season only to be easily dispensed with in about 2 minutes.
Return of Lex - that is pretty pointless, does next to nothing except kill Tess for no reason and gets his memory wiped...wha??? So he doesn't remember anything, but he's still evil and Clark's Nemesis, just because? Their relationship building over the first seven seasons now means....nothing???
Return of Chloe....that also does nothing.
CGI Superman suit for a couple of minutes.
Major letdown. Hoped the writers could pull something great for the end. Instead got overly forced, excessive attempts the pull your heart strings and another easy-way-out for the "greatest hero ever."
An hour-and-a-half of everyone telling Clark how awesome he is and that it's his time, so long as he embraces both his human and Kryptonian side (a conflict he's resolved how many times now?). He's ultimately inspired by a Jor-El induced montage of.....himself?
Follow with another "his greatest challenge) foe that is built up over an entire season only to be easily dispensed with in about 2 minutes.
Return of Lex - that is pretty pointless, does next to nothing except kill Tess for no reason and gets his memory wiped...wha??? So he doesn't remember anything, but he's still evil and Clark's Nemesis, just because? Their relationship building over the first seven seasons now means....nothing???
Return of Chloe....that also does nothing.
CGI Superman suit for a couple of minutes.
Major letdown. Hoped the writers could pull something great for the end. Instead got overly forced, excessive attempts the pull your heart strings and another easy-way-out for the "greatest hero ever."
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Stone_Cold_Sisko
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The show was basically everything BAD about comic books wrapped into two hours.
Checkmate
Commodore
I do stand corrected, the scene did have two purposes. One to wipe Lex's memory, two to get rid of Tess for the same reason they wiped Lex's memory.
The "omg, I'm doing this to redeem myself!" malarkey was just the window dressing. She could have said anything at all during that scene and it wouldn't have changed a bit. Lex's memory is gone, Tess is out of the story. Fini. Move on the next to-do list item.
The show was basically everything BAD about comic books wrapped into two hours.
I think it's more like every bad thing about the CW.
Actually, it wasn't a bad episode of Smallville and it had its moments but it also really crystallizes a lot of the complaints. I was hoping against hope that they might elevate their game for the end.
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