Smallville 9x09 "Pandora" - Discussion and Spoilers

[Obiwanshinobi]

Yeah the Kandorians arrival is pretty much a riff off of the Kandorian storyline going on in the Superman books currently.

The only vision that was revealed that I had a problem with was Tess getting the dog tags...okay she makes it possible for Zod to rule and ONLY just gets granted initiation into the group?

yeah like an honorary Kandorian. Must take a lot to get kissed into the tribe and even making it possible to get them where they're at, not much gratitude. My question is, how were they able to build the tower and get it up and running in less than a year. Any engineers, architects, commercial contractors out there, is a project like that, with that magnitude feasible to do in one year, well not even a year but less than that?

 

[zephramc]

Yeah the Kandorians arrival is pretty much a riff off of the Kandorian storyline going on in the Superman books currently.

The only vision that was revealed that I had a problem with was Tess getting the dog tags...okay she makes it possible for Zod to rule and ONLY just gets granted initiation into the group?

yeah like an honorary Kandorian. Must take a lot to get kissed into the tribe and even making it possible to get them where they're at, not much gratitude. My question is, how were they able to build the tower and get it up and running in less than a year. Any engineers, architects, commercial contractors out there, is a project like that, with that magnitude feasible to do in one year, well not even a year but less than that?

If enough money is thrown at it, anything's possible. It looks like the plans are already in place. The project can be greenlighted by local/state/federal government in a matter of weeks (possibly days) depending on the levels of bureaucracy and how many palms need to be greased. Buying the land for the site, same thing, how many palms need to be greased. Luthorcorp has deep pockets so they could hire thousands, if not 10s of thousands, of men (engineers, architects, electricians, etc...) to complete the project within a few months.

 

[Trekker4747]

Why can Zod and his companions have powers under the Crazy Red Sun Device?!

It was explained in a throw away line. The sun was still yellow but the LuthorCorp Towers were producing radiation similar to that of a red sun (which was why the sun and sky appeared red). Zod's minions were using the LuthorCorp Satellite Grid to somehow get access to the actual yellow sunlight.

Wasn't there a line in "Kandor" where Jor-El mentioned how he altered the biology so the Kandorians wouldn't get powers under a yellow sun?

He tained the orb with Blue-K which in the Smallville universe blocks Kryptonian powers.

 

[drychlick]

very good show sorry to see we not see any more till feb! love dr

 

[Procutus]

I just watched the ep again, and unless I missed something, I'm still trying to figure out why Chloe waited as long as she did to upload a virus into the Tower, if she had the ability to do it from Watchtower all along. As far as I could tell, nothing had changed, it was like, 'Oh, I can send this virus like Jeff Goldblum did in Independence Day and shut the whole thing down'.

Just wondering...

 

[Brent]

I just watched the ep again, and unless I missed something, I'm still trying to figure out why Chloe waited as long as she did to upload a virus into the Tower, if she had the ability to do it from Watchtower all along. As far as I could tell, nothing had changed, it was like, 'Oh, I can send this virus like Jeff Goldblum did in Independence Day and shut the whole thing down'.

Just wondering...

MAJOR PLOT HOLE Detected

Very good point Proc

 

[Checkmate]

It took her a year to learn the Kandorian dialect of the Kryptonian language, how their programming syntax works, and code the virus maybe?

The well-established principal of Time Travel Correlation takes care of the rest. Oh, you know the one. Any time time travel is used, the traveler is taken to a key point in time and space where they can at least witness a major event occurring. Yeah, that one. I believe it's related to the Coincidental Transporter Coordinates law.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It took her a year to learn the Kandorian dialect of the Kryptonian language, how their programming syntax works, and code the virus maybe?

I'm calling a bullshit on that one buddy.

it was a diversion.

She still needed a killshot.

30 semi depowered Kandorians all trying to reboot the tower?

Despite acting like knuckle dragging thugs, they're all still super geniuses good to go with technology thousands of years ahead of Earths.

With out Clark to do the deed, her diversion was not going to give her enough time to save the day before the tower came back on line.

She'd been chased out of Metropolis.

She probably came back because Lois' name showed up on some kennel consignment writ.

While she was hiding in Indiana of Forte Lauderdale that bag of tricks was off the table.

The real question was: Where the Fuck was Lana?

Kryptonians taking over the world and there's no sign of the kryptonite girl?

And what the fuck was the Fortress doing?

Jor-El depowered Clark all the time.

If he can't do that to every Kryptonian per say, then the real Jor-El put a back door into Clark's DNA which is child abuse or ritual mutilation like those parents who chip their kids or give earrings to 2 year olds for beauty pageants.

 

[Procutus]

future Chloe made my pee pee tingle

She had my rocket on the launch pad.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Also did no one notice that Clark was already back to NOT wearing his eye glasses in this episode? Tom seems to really take advantage of every chance he can not to wear those things.

 

[Procutus]

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Yeah, he really does seem to have an issue with that, doesn't he? Personally, I really don't give a flying rat's ass if he wears the specs, he'd just better put on the Blue & Red suit when the time comes. This show HAS to end with him truly becoming Superman. Anything else would be a cheat.

 

[nx1701g]

Also did no one notice that Clark was already back to NOT wearing his eye glasses in this episode? Tom seems to really take advantage of every chance he can not to wear those things.

In the episode where he mentions to Lois that he wears them didn't he say something along the lines that he only needed to wear them every so often and not all the time?

 

[Trekker4747]

Also did no one notice that Clark was already back to NOT wearing his eye glasses in this episode? Tom seems to really take advantage of every chance he can not to wear those things.

In the episode where he mentions to Lois that he wears them didn't he say something along the lines that he only needed to wear them every so often and not all the time?

Yeah, I think he said they were reading glasses.

 

[Chris3123]

Where was Kara during all this, would have liked a name drop at least what her fate was

Isn't she off in space looking for Argo City or something?

Kandor, actually. You were right in that it was her birthplace she was searching for, just the wrong continuity.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Wouldn't it be ace if she turned up in the final episode this season with the old peopel versions of all these clone colonists to tell them what idiots they are and how they should stand down before they're put down.

I love Supergirl across the spectrum through her many incarnations, but i have always also said that laura needed to at least eat one cookie so as to not too look so unhealthy... Watching her on V, I think she ate that cookie and she isn't half as annoying.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Yes Kara took off flying searching for Kandor which she heard rumors that it could still be out there...how she heard these rumors or who from I don't think it was mentioned where she heard about Kandor but she flew off to search for it.

 

[Procutus]

...how she heard these rumors or who from I don't think it was mentioned where she heard about Kandor but she flew off to search for it.

The impression I got was that she heard about it while trapped in the Phantom Zone, though it was unclear just where she planned to start looking for it.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Doh! Yeah I guess she would have heard them while stuck inside the Phantom Zone...I wonder though about taking the word of criminals is such a good idea. I'd like to see a follow up episode one day, maybe ugh (I say ugh tongue in cheek folks!) in season ten they will bring back Laura for an episode or two) where Kara returns and reveals that her search was fruitless. She consulted J'onn and the Jor-El hologram but neither were able to provide her with information and the leads she got ended up no where. Kara feels lost and confused, her mission was irrelevent (much like Clark in Superman Returns) and Clark has to console her and refocus his cousin.

 

[Joe Washington]

I just wonder how all of this is really going to end now that we're past the possible future episode. Clark and Lois. The conflict with Zod and the Kandorians. All of this. Because it could end one of two ways. It could end with a satisfying bang or a disappointing whimper and you can't deny this show's history of ending a large number of its storylines with whimpers. Or it could just as easily end with a pathetic lead-in to Season Ten as the show drags itself into another hitting-the-nail-on-the-coffin season.

This episode wants me feel glad that I set up that thread on what Smallville could have been (http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=106552) if it wasn't ruined by sloppy storylines, inconsistencies, and constant retconning.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

If he can't do that to every Kryptonian per say, then the real Jor-El put a back door into Clark's DNA which is child abuse or ritual mutilation like those parents who chip their kids or give earrings to 2 year olds for beauty pageants.

Fortress Jor-El depowered Kara and took away her memory and put her to work in a diner because Clark did something pissy.

There were enough Kandorians flying in to darken the sky. Probably to do with scale, it could depower one or two or a handful of Kryptonians but not a thousand.

Kryptonite Lana could have had a mountain dropped on her or been taken out by heat vision from half a mile off... if she's a complete idiot. (Oh, wait...) She has super speed and could zip in and take out Kandorians one by one. She was supposed to have been toughened up by that Navy Seal guy, she should have gotten half a clue of tactics.

Not to mention Impulse is faster than Clark and could have slipped some meteor rock into each Kandorian's pocket when they were preoccupied.

The biggest plot hole is that Clark decides to fix things by doing the opposite of what he did in the disasterous time line: He works with Chloe and the League as a team instead of acting by himself. Oh, wait, not that's not it. He decides the opposite is to act alone and side with Zod. All Zod needs is a little Clark love and he'll be a nice guy. Worked with Lex after all. The second biggest is that Ollie owns the fricken company and he can't jinx the tower?