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Smallville: 8x22 "Doomsday" - Discussion and Spoilers

Grade the episode and the season

  • Episode: Excellent

    Votes: 4 6.7%
  • Episode: Good

    Votes: 10 16.7%
  • Episode: Average

    Votes: 17 28.3%
  • Episode: Bad

    Votes: 12 20.0%
  • Episode: Terrible

    Votes: 9 15.0%
  • Season: Excellent

    Votes: 3 5.0%
  • Season: Good

    Votes: 18 30.0%
  • Season: Average

    Votes: 13 21.7%
  • Season: Bad

    Votes: 7 11.7%
  • Season: Terrible

    Votes: 8 13.3%

  • Total voters
    60
I don't see it this way at all.

At the end of the forgettable Lana arc, Clark is enraged at Lex's plot to separate Clark and Lana forever, and races to where Lex's truck is.

What was he going to do, slap his wrist?

Clark would not have killed Lex. This is Clark we're talking about. He may not wear the tights, but he's still Superman.

Ollie just beat him to it. The reason Clark is so upset at Ollie is because he sees in Ollie what he found inside himself.

Meanwhile, Ollie is feeling remorse, but he is too butch with Clark to admit it. In the Zatana episode we see Ollie obviously contemplating wishing he didn't kill Lex. He feels regret and remorse, he not evil.

Not to mention, Lex had killed the board of Lexcorp, almost killed Ollie, and then directly sent Toyman after Ollie in the hospital. In an ideal world, Ollie would have called the cops and Lex would stand trial and blah blah. But Ollie can't send the police after a man who is already officially dead.

Clark and Ollie both need to stand down with each other. I kind of see this whole thing, they are both conflicted in their emotions over this, and taking it out on each other. Neither is in the right. Ollie at least internally admits he went too far, but also probably still can't think of what his other option was. Clark wants to see things in black and white, which is what killed Jimmy, he couldn't see the grey issues with Davis.

Hopefully the writers actually go somewhere with this, and don't just use it as an excuse to keep Clark out of the League for another season.

This is the League within the League again. It's almost lifted right out of Identity Crisis. Oliver and Dinah (amongst others) doing the things Clark (amongst others - specifically Batman) won't do behind his back.

At the end of the day, Oliver shot Clark in the back with a Kryptonite arrow. Had Jimmy not come along, despite Oliver's suggestion otherwise, it would have killed him. That's not something you fix with a "my bad" and a handshake. Oliver crossed a line and Dinah and Bart went along with it.
 
I heard that DC is starting to get tighter control over the show once again (think season three levels).

Season 3 levels? I don't remember it being that tightly connected to DC canon, other than Adam Knight not being Bruce Wayne (and the introduction of Clark's glasses, only to be gone by episode's end). If anything, with the Smallville backstory being emphasized, I thought it was one of the further seasons to drift from the mythology.
 
I saw the finale yesterday.... All I'm in the mood to say about it is that it was bad and disappointing.

The season overall...I'm not sure right now.
It started great. I was loving it, it was really good up until Lana returned. That was a turning point. The writers seemed to get really stupid once again and the season never really recovered.

Well, lets see what happens next season. Hopefully it will be as good as the first half of season 8.
 
At the end of the day, Oliver shot Clark in the back with a Kryptonite arrow. Had Jimmy not come along, despite Oliver's suggestion otherwise, it would have killed him. That's not something you fix with a "my bad" and a handshake. Oliver crossed a line and Dinah and Bart went along with it.
Ok, you and I aren't watching the same show.
 
At the end of the day, Oliver shot Clark in the back with a Kryptonite arrow. Had Jimmy not come along, despite Oliver's suggestion otherwise, it would have killed him. That's not something you fix with a "my bad" and a handshake. Oliver crossed a line and Dinah and Bart went along with it.
Ok, you and I aren't watching the same show.

Obviously. You're watching the show where Oliver Queen is a good guy, I'm not.
 
One can be asked to take a lot of crap from friends in general AND still think of them as being a friend. It was not GA's plan to kill CK or even injure him severly, I would compare this to getting sucker punched by a close friend. Friends do disagree on stuff, sometimes 1000%, sometimes overly emotionally. That said, they have done to GA what they did to the Lana character in the last half of the season. It would help all shows if they had all their writers actually read previous scripts or watch the preceding episodes. Alas they don't, but overall I liked the season and this season finale. Friends even superfriends are not perfect, and I doubt that CK will hold any permanent grudges, even his last challenge to GA et al, toward setting off the explosive charges addressed this, if he held any long term animas toward GA he never would have allowed them to set them off or trust them to do this.
 
^He's done this two weeks running now. Why did he have the Kryptonite ring ?

I have had plenty of arguments with people over the years, but I've somehow managed to never deliberately poison anyone or lead them in to ambushes so I could do it.
 
I saw the finale yesterday.... All I'm in the mood to say about it is that it was bad and disappointing.

The season overall...I'm not sure right now.
It started great. I was loving it, it was really good up until Lana returned. That was a turning point. The writers seemed to get really stupid once again and the season never really recovered.

Well, lets see what happens next season. Hopefully it will be as good as the first half of season 8.

You are exactly right. This season was going great until Lana showed up and then it regressed back into the pointless angst we've suffered through the first 7 years. Pretty sad when "Stiletto" was a highpoint of the last few episodes.

Lois and Clark are much more fun although I'd rather the "romance" be kept out for now.

The finale was a major disappointment for me. It was almost like the writers forgot it was the finale until the last half and tried to wrap it all up as efficiently and quickly as possible. The whole Bloomsday plot was just a meandering and pointless journey to nowhere.
 
I saw the finale yesterday.... All I'm in the mood to say about it is that it was bad and disappointing.

The season overall...I'm not sure right now.
It started great. I was loving it, it was really good up until Lana returned. That was a turning point. The writers seemed to get really stupid once again and the season never really recovered.

Well, lets see what happens next season. Hopefully it will be as good as the first half of season 8.

You are exactly right. This season was going great until Lana showed up and then it regressed back into the pointless angst we've suffered through the first 7 years. Pretty sad when "Stiletto" was a highpoint of the last few episodes.

Lois and Clark are much more fun although I'd rather the "romance" be kept out for now.

The finale was a major disappointment for me. It was almost like the writers forgot it was the finale until the last half and tried to wrap it all up as efficiently and quickly as possible. The whole Bloomsday plot was just a meandering and pointless journey to nowhere.

Yeah, the show never recovered from Lana's appearance. You had some good episodes, like Beast, but Lana really killed the momentum of this show. The first half was good, with the Davis storyline, Tess, and Clark embracing his superhero role.
 
Whoa I'm impressed with this episode I saw it online,and it was totally awesome.

I did not expect that Davis would die after he was separated from the Doomsday beast and as well as Jimmy Olson ,the producers were hinting two veterans would die in the finale.

As to Lois she's been transported to the 30th century by the legion Ring,and no wonder Clark could not find her I guess we'll find out in September.
Don't tell me that ZOD is now on earth that means Clark/KA-EL must fight ZOD in order to save the world in Season 9 could he possibly don a outfit that is not tights,but the primary colors we're used to seeing on Superman or the Eradicator or similar to GA's outfit minus the hood .

I can't wait for next season to start.

I'm outta of here

Signed

Buck Rogers
 
Ok, so having had a few more days to think about it, this is how I would have done the finale (bearing in mind that I'm not actually a writer)...

Keep everything the way it was up until (and including) Ollie shooting Clark with the Kryptonite arrow.

CUT TO

Ollie, Bart and Siren have Davis tied up at the geothermal plant. Chloe is there also, and she is pleading with Ollie not to kill Davis. Davis wakes up and, realising what’s happening, starts to change into Doomsday. Chloe grabs the Black Kryptonite and slams it into Davis’ chest, separating him from Doomsday. Davis falls to the ground. Doomsday lets out a roar, and swipes at Chloe, hitting her, and sending her hurtling into the wall, killing her. Davis stands up and screams. Doomsday grabs Davis by the throat and looks at him for a moment, as if he recognises something about him, before crushing Davis’ neck and throwing him to the ground like a rag doll.
Almost immediately, two small explosions erupt on Doomsday’s back – it’s Ollie firing explosive arrows at him. Doomsday turns to face him, only to be hit with a sonic blast from Siren. The blast is overwhelming his auditory system, leaving him disoriented. Bart runs towards Doomsday, attempting to use his speed to distract Doomsday even more, but Doomsday is faster than anyone expected. He manages to catch Bart, and throws him at Siren, knocking them both out.
Ollie attempts to engage Doomsday, but is seriously outmatched. Doomsday takes a swing, and Ollie attempts to move out of the way, but Doomsday is too fast and still manages to hit Ollie, although only slightly, but even this is enough to put Ollie out of commission.

CUT TO

The scene where Jimmy arrives at Chloe’s car and finds Clark incapacitated. Let this scene play out in the same way as it did in the actual episode, ending with Jimmy finding out about Clark, and Clark super-speeding off to stop Doomsday.

CUT TO

The geothermal plant. Clark arrives on the scene, but Doomsday has already left. Clark sees Ollie, Bart and Siren unconscious. Then he notices Chloe. He runs over to her thinking she may still be alive, but is horrified to discover she isn’t. A tear rolls down his cheek, before a wave of anger hits him. He lets out a scream (similar to the one Superman does in reaction to Lois’ death in the first Superman movie) and super-speeds off in search of Doomsday.

CUT TO

Metropolis. Doomsday is wreaking havoc in the streets. Cars are overturned, bodies lie strewned all over the place. Clark arrives. Somehow, Doomsday knows he’s here, and turns to face him.

CLARK: “This ends now”

Clark and Doomsday run at each other, fists raised. They collide. The force of the impact sending out a shockwave which shatters the windows of the nearby buildings, and sends both of them flying backwards. Clark picks himself up, but just as he does, Doomsday lands in front of him. Doomsday grabs Clark and begins pummelling him in the stomach, he then spins round and throws Clark into a nearby building. Clark gets up, wipes the blood from his mouth, and then charges towards Doomsday. As he does, he fires a few heat blasts from his eyes, striking Doomsday square in the face, temporarily blinding him. Using this opportunity, Clark uppercuts Doomsday, sending him flying up into the sky. Clark then leaps after him, catching him in the air, and throwing him back down to earth. Doomsday slams into the ground, followed shortly by Clark, who lands on him and begins punching the crap out of Doomsday. Just as it seems Clark has the upper hand, Doomsday catches Clarks punch, and spins him round, slamming Clark’s head into the floor a few times before flinging him across the street. Clark, beaten and bloody, stands up and notices the destruction around him. Knowing he has to end this as soon as possible, he makes his final play. He rushes at Doomsday, and tackles him, leaping towards the geothermal plant (as he does in the actual episode).
As they fall down the chamber, Clark sends out a few blasts of heat vision, melting the rock ahead of them, he then slams Doomsday into the molten rock, before cooling it with his breath, temporarily restraining the creature, and allowing him enough time to escape the chamber, and detonate the charges, burying Doomsday alive.

CUT TO

The funeral of Chloe and Davis. Ollie is in a wheelchair after barely surviving his encounter with Doomsday. Clark is there, and so is Jimmy.
After the service, Ollie tries to speak to Clark. Clark says nothing.

OLLIE: “Clark… I’m sorry”

Still Clark says nothing.

OLLIE: “You were right, Clark. We should have let you handle it your way”

CLARK: “You betrayed me Oliver. You used my weakness against me because you thought you knew better, and now people are dead. People I swore to protect.”

OLLIE: “…”

CLARK: “And do you know what the worst part is? The worst part is that I could have stopped this before it even began. I had the opportunity to send Davis to the Phantom Zone, and I didn’t. I let my emotions cloud my judgement. I let my feelings for Chloe influence my decision, and now… now she’s dead.”

Clark and Ollie are silent for a moment.

OLLIE: ”So, where do we go from here?”

CLARK: “I’m leaving, Oliver”

OLLIE: “Leaving? For where?”

CLARK: “The Fortress. Jor-El was right all along. I’m not Human, and the more I pretend to be, the more people get hurt”

OLLIE: “Clark, you can’t just abandon your Humanity, it’s what makes you the hero you are”

CLARK: “Or maybe it’s preventing me from being the hero I should be… Goodbye Oliver”

OLLIE: “Clark…”

Clark ignores him and keeps walking.

Then, end the same way the episode did, with the glowing orb, and the naked guy, and the Zod symbol.

FADE TO BLACK – ROLL CREDITS

So, what do you guys think?
 
^I think you just wrote the last episode of Smallville I'd ever watch.

Killing off Chloe = No. Fail. Wrong. Bad.
 
Killing off Chloe = Getting rid of a character that's added little to nothing to the show for the past several seasons.

Fixed. ;)

She's the heart and soul of the show and she's played by clearly the most talented member of the cast. The show dies without her.

Compare her to...

Clark - played by a guy who won't even wear glasses on screen because he's scared the female fans might complain.

Oliver - murderer, betrays his friends, uses Kryptonite to win arguments.

Lois - does she do anything except make jokes and boss people around ?

Jimmy - very little direction for the guy since he showed up.

Davis - A one-note character who was only ever brought in to be killed off.

Tess - The misandrist Orgasm-Killer (by that I mean she has a very visible orgasm when she kills men).
 
Not saying that I disagree with your assessment of Chloe, Hermiod, but I think the potential dramatic impact of her death far outweighs it.
I love the character of Chloe just as much as the next person, but I wouldn't be prepared to sacrifice drama and show progression just to keep her around. That's how shows become stale.
 
Not saying that I disagree with your assessment of Chloe, Hermiod, but I think the potential dramatic impact of her death far outweighs it.
I love the character of Chloe just as much as the next person, but I wouldn't be prepared to sacrifice drama and show progression just to keep her around. That's how shows become stale.

I would argue that shows become stale by being renewed for ninth and tenth seasons.

Chloe is probably the only character on the show they have true freedom with since she isn't bound by any previous place in Superman mythology. Even Tess has her ties to other characters, even if they supposedly aren't the same person.
 
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