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Small Universe Syndrome

I tend to assume that people buy STAR TREK books because they want to read about Picard or Spock or Major Kira or whomever, not Captain Mimsey O'Roarke of the U.S.S. Asparagus.
Sure. And I'll accept that a lot of cool stuff happens to the TV characters "as a crew." My problem is when a bunch of people who aren't part of the crew get drawn in for no good reason. In Countdown, for instance, there was no good reason for Geordi, who was no longer on the Enterprise crew, to get drawn into the story.

When I read Trek, I want to see Scotty save the day, not some anonymous engineer I've never heard of before.
And that's fine in a Trek novel in which it makes sense for Scotty to be involved -- a Scotty novel, for instance or a Kirk's Enterprise story. But if Scotty isn't a member of the Enterprise crew anymore at the time of a particular story, I don't think he should necessarily show back up to participate in that story.

To use a weird analogy: Sherlock Holmes probably didn't investigate every crime in Victorian London, but if pick up a Sherlock Holmes novel, I want Holmes and Watson and Moriarity and Lestrade, etc.
But Federation Space ought to be a bit larger in area and population than Victorian London, and too often it doesn't feel like it is.
 
I guess I've always just assumed that the U.S.S. Asparagus is also out there, having amazing adventures. We just don't hear about them because they never had their own tv show! :)
 
I like the name U.S.S. Asparagus. I have no problem with SUS and I do like seeing old favorites poping up.
 
There's also this to consider: the license owner, despite the wide latitude they've given with respect to the establishment of offshoot series focusing on new or largely unknown characters, definitely has a preference for stories that "star" the main cast(s). Though they were understandably reluctant back in the day, they finally gave a green light to such a project, and that's why we have New Frontier and SCE and Vanguard and so on and so forth. It's also why we get a novel like Articles of the Federation or A Singular Destiny from time to time. Still, novels that "star" unknown are largely unknown characters can often be a hard sell, at least in my experience.

Plus, casual readers don't seem to really dig such books all that much. If they read tie-in books, or are looking to jump into the fray, they want something with characters they recognize from TV or the movie screen. It's a tough balance to strike, and so as a general rule, tie-ins are pretty much expected to stay within certain parameters, because that's what the people who own the property want them to do.

But I'll admit, it's fun to craft stories that pull in characters from different corners of the Trek mythos. :)
 
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Bad: Apparently, Dax met not only McCoy, but Christopher Pike, Sarek's dad, the Parasites, and was also working on the Excelsior. For a random character from a reclusive world, this is just a little hard to believe.

I think the keys to keeping such crossovers believable are:

1) Don't overdo it. If you have your characters meeting up with familiar characters or elements from past Trek history, include enough original characters or elements that the whole thing isn't just one big reunion. For instance, Immortal Coil would've been more plausible if only some of the collected AIs had been familiar rather than virtually all of them. In Orion's Hounds, I brought back two familiar spacegoing life forms, the "Farpoint" star-jellies and the Crystalline Entity, but I avoided having the entire cosmozoan biosphere made up of critters that one Enterprise or another had happened to run into.

2) Have a reason for it. Don't just drop in a familiar character or element for the sake of a cameo, and make it plausible that the character would be involved in the story. In The Buried Age, I initially wanted Worf to play a larger role in the novel, being involved on the mission in Part IV rather than just showing up briefly at the end, but Marco thought that was overkill given the other TNG characters I was including.

3) Don't interpret canon selectively. A story establishing a family relationship between V'Ger and the Borg doesn't make sense because the differences between the two outweigh the similarities and it's contradictory that a purely cybernetic entity that doesn't even know what humanoids are would be spawned from a cyborg race that assimilates humanoids the way Morn downs drinks. And Trelane as a Q doesn't make sense because he was nowhere near as powerful and needed a machine to do his tricks. Drawing a connection based on one similarity between two things is a bad idea if it requires ignoring canonically established differences or inconsistencies between them.
Agreed on these points. Obviously, the whole issue is highly reader-dependent. One thing that irks me is the drastic overuse of the more popular characters. Picard appeared in book 1 of New Frontier, S.C.E., and the post-series DS9 "relaunch". I don't recall if he was in book 1 of the VOY relaunch or not, however, Data was in at least book 2. This is just waaay overdoing it, IMO. These are probably two of Trek's most popular characters and they've probably made a disproportionate number of cameos.

I agree that I too love seeing clever interconnecting of various Trek elements known to us, but for heavens sakes, give more depth to the other characters who may not be at the top of people's favourite character list rather than wearing out the popularity of Picard, Data, etc. Many would say that what wore out the excitement and fear of the Borg was their extreme overuse.

That's my two cents.
 
^Yes, Picard and the Enterprise were in VGR: Homecoming.

I think it makes sense to use familiar, popular characters to launch a new series. It happened on TV; McCoy was in "Encounter at Farpoint," Picard was in "Emissary," Quark was in "Caretaker," and Zefram Cochrane was in "Broken Bow." But with new book series, you want to give them the best chance possible, and that means having cameos by the most popular characters, and in the 24th century, that's overwhelmingly the TNG cast.
 
There's also this to consider: the license owner, despite the wide latitude they've given with respect to the establishment of offshoot series focusing on new or largely unknown characters, definitely has a preference for stories that "star" the main cast(s).
I understand that and don't really mind that. (Though, to be honest, my favorite Trek book series right now is Vanguard, thanks in no small part to your own contributions). It's more when members of the main cast(s) show up as "guest stars" that I'm bothered.
 
A canonical case in point. Archer probably bumped into Shran way too often in ENT. But the actor who played Shran was already a popular ST identity - and Shran was so much fun for him to play.

Probably, Archer should have met a different Andorian captain every time he ran into an Andorian ship, but the audience (and writers) loved Shran and wanted to see him recur. A lot.
 
i didn't have a problem with Picard appearing in NF #1, it was from a pre-TNG period when Stargazer was off exploring and seemed reasonable.

Liewise, it was no biggy in SCE #1 as the SCE were called in after the E-E defeated the Beast.

nor was it an issue for me when the TOS crew docked at Vanguard in Harbinger.

in fact, i don't think i've ever read a book where i've felt an appearance was out of place.

maybe Sonny Clemonds at the bar in R&FOKNS, but that's about all.
 
Probably, Archer should have met a different Andorian captain every time he ran into an Andorian ship, but the audience (and writers) loved Shran and wanted to see him recur. A lot.

"Day of the Dove" was originally meant to feature Kor, but John Colicos was unavailable. I think the same goes for "The Trouble With Tribbles." So if Colicos had been a little less busy in 1967-8, TOS would've had a recurring Klingon nemesis, and Dax might've only had one old Klingon friend in "Blood Oath."
 
I think it makes sense to use familiar, popular characters to launch a new series. It happened on TV; McCoy was in "Encounter at Farpoint," Picard was in "Emissary," Quark was in "Caretaker," and Zefram Cochrane was in "Broken Bow." But with new book series, you want to give them the best chance possible, and that means having cameos by the most popular characters, and in the 24th century, that's overwhelmingly the TNG cast.

When they are used to pass the torch once, then that is perfectly fine. But when every second guest character in a novel is someone who already appeared in any of the TV shows (not a fact, but a feeling when randomly skipping through the literature), it's really making the universe small.

In the TV shows we got new characters every time, and it was no problem. The feeling I get from the tie-in literature (often, not always) is like "So we had Captain Bateson on the USS Bozeman in Cause & Effect. We now need a Captain to replace Picard in Chain of Command. Do we want to introduce a new character? No let's just take Bateson."
 
In the TV shows we got new characters every time, and it was no problem. The feeling I get from the tie-in literature (often, not always) is like "So we had Captain Bateson on the USS Bozeman in Cause & Effect. We now need a Captain to replace Picard in Chain of Command. Do we want to introduce a new character? No let's just take Bateson."


I admit that's how my mind usually works. It's just more fun to bring back an old guest-star whom we never really got a chance to see more of. STAR TREK is littered with interesting characters and species who only appeared in one episode or so. The books give us a chance to find out more about them.

It also cuts down on redundancy; why invent a new race of alien shapeshifters when there are already fix or six others running around the ST universe?

One of the fun parts of working with Star Trek is that you've got this whole 40-year history to draw upon. Seems like a waste not to take advantage of that.
 
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The feeling I get from the tie-in literature (often, not always) is like "So we had Captain Bateson on the USS Bozeman in Cause & Effect. We now need a Captain to replace Picard in Chain of Command. Do we want to introduce a new character? No let's just take Bateson."

It's more like people asking, "Whatever happened to Captain Bateson after his single canonical appearance?"

CBS Consumer Products (and Paramount/Viacom Licensing before them) is highly unlikely to approve a Captain Bateson solo novel, but they may just approve a TNG novel in which he's making a guest reappearance. Which is what happened.
 
The feeling I get from the tie-in literature (often, not always) is like "So we had Captain Bateson on the USS Bozeman in Cause & Effect. We now need a Captain to replace Picard in Chain of Command. Do we want to introduce a new character? No let's just take Bateson."

It's more like people asking, "Whatever happened to Captain Bateson after his single canonical appearance?"

CBS Consumer Products (and Paramount/Viacom Licensing before them) is highly unlikely to approve a Captain Bateson solo novel, but they may just approve a TNG novel in which he's making a guest reappearance. Which is what happened.
But Ship of the Line was atrociously bad, I'd rather it had not been published because I will have to try again to finish it at some stage.
 
I don’t mind the Small Universe thing at all. Y’know why? It’s only a TV show/book/comic/film/videogame!

Take Murder She Wrote (weird example, I know, but ‘people’ are always leaving it on in my house). If you’re planning a murder and Jessica Fletcher walks in you ABORT MISSION. You have no chance in hell of getting away with it. At all.

Yet they still try. Why? It’s not real. We forgive that things don’t happen quite the way they would in real life - it’s called suspension of disbelief. Thus Star Trek can have a huge Federation with hundreds of branches of Starfleet, and all sorts of amazing creatures flying starships (as seen in Diane Duane’s novels), or it can be a little humans-only space club, where everybody knows everybody else. Whichever the story requires.

Same for why the fate of the universe always ends up in the hands of the same few people (although you could always argue we just don’t get to read about the times the alien blob creatures from Blorblox IV saved the universe by finding the Lost Treasure of Blorzon?)
 
Two occasions spring to mind where SUS took me out of a story. One was recently where the capitalist guy from 'The Neutral Zone' turned up in a novel as part of Bacco's administration. Sometimes people should just fade away.

The other was in 'The Sundred' where Sulu's entire crew appeared to be from other novels/TV series - Chekov, Rand, Chapel, Tuvok, Akaar. I preferred the Excelsior from TUC and the VGR episode, where Rand (and Tuvok) was the only cross-over(though Tuvok being on the ship did sort of annoy me).
 
Two occasions spring to mind where SUS took me out of a story. One was recently where the capitalist guy from 'The Neutral Zone' turned up in a novel as part of Bacco's administration. Sometimes people should just fade away.

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Wow. Ralph Offenhouse is keeping busy. He also pops up in DEBTOR'S PLANET and one of my EUGENICS books.

Guess you can't keep a good 20th century capitalist down! :)
 
Two occasions spring to mind where SUS took me out of a story. One was recently where the capitalist guy from 'The Neutral Zone' turned up in a novel as part of Bacco's administration. Sometimes people should just fade away.

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Wow. Ralph Offenhouse is keeping busy. He also pops up in DEBTOR'S PLANET and one of my EUGENICS books.

Guess you can't keep a good 20th century capitalist down! :)
It's logical for him to be a Federation Ambassador to capitalist societies like Ferenginar since he knows how their minds work. He is also a shrewd businessman with a good BS meter so he knows when someone is not on the up and up. Sounds like good diplomatic material to me.
 
Lets also not forget about all the stories that take place between the novels and episodes - the ones we don't hear about.

All those hundreds of adventures that go untold, where the crew are meeting new people. But we keep reading the ones where they meet characters we know from somewhere else. That makes the meetings a little more believable, if you put them into that context.

I have little-to-no problem with Small Universe Syndrome (apart from when it is really over-done). I would however, like to see if Star Trek can go a good five years without crossing over their cast of characters from where they are now.

The only problem I DO have with SUS, is that it makes continuity a right b*t*h to keep up with! And if you want to know exactly what (for example) Dax has been up to, you have to read books from all series, not just DS9.

(Not a problem for me, I read all series anyway :bolian: Just putting it out there.)
 
The other was in 'The Sundred' where Sulu's entire crew appeared to be from other novels/TV series - Chekov, Rand, Chapel, Tuvok, Akaar. I preferred the Excelsior from TUC and the VGR episode, where Rand (and Tuvok) was the only cross-over(though Tuvok being on the ship did sort of annoy me).

Sulu hiring on one of his buddies from back in the day? Stuff like that NEVER happens in real life.
 
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