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Slashfilm Review says Trek XI is "utterly shallow"

I haven't seen this film yet, so I really can't comment on its quality...but what is Slashfilm expecting?
Substance? Plot that makes sense? Character depth? Relevance?
I have yet to see it to know whether or not the plot makes sense (but most other people who have seen it thinks it makes sense), and other reviewers thought the characters were well-formed. However I don't think Star Trek films necessarily need to have "relevance" to today's society.

What I mean is that I don't think it needs to have a "deep meaning that uncovers the social ills of 2009". Wrath of Khan wasn't relevant in that way, and neither was First Contact. Even TVH's "save the whales" message was superficial and only served as a vehicle to allow the characters to interact.

I think this film should tell a story that is relevant in a "classical human story-telling" manner -- and from what I hear, it does so as well as any other Star Trek film has.

That's what I mean by "what's Slashfilm expecting".
 
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Well my bar has been set really low with Nemesis and Enterprise.......so I'm 99.9999999999%% sure i'm onto a winner with this movie.

Roll on 27th for TOS on BR and 8th May for this movie.......my arse will be firmly in that cinema seat........Star trek is back baby.
 
Even the so-called "negative" reviews say this is a very entertaining film. Frankly once or twice a season on TV is when Trek should go intellectual. I want big explosions because I want people to actually go to the movie.
 
So...Star Trek is NOT Citizen Kane?
Exactly --

I want a reviewer to review a film compared to other similar films, not compared to "the perfect film". I want a reviewer who is reviewing Star Trek to compare it to other Star Trek films and other sci-fi adventure films in its class and genre. I don't expect it to be compared against Citizen Kane, Lawrence of Arabia, Casablanca, The Third Man (my personal favorite) or any of the films that are ubiquitous among most top 10 lists.

I think some reviewers get too "snobbish" when reviewing films and don't seem to have the ability to say "it's a really good film for what it is".

its his sled. old Spock is traveling through time to find his sled.
Ha ha!
Old Spock's cryptic dying words..."I-Chaya"
 
Interesting review.

I still don't understand why this story could of not been told without Time Travel and revising all that came before it, why isn't the story of Jim Kirk Interesting enough to do that?

:mad:

Could have. Or could've. Not could of.

People who write "could of" instead of "could've" make themselves look like illiterate morons.

I'm not saying you're an illiterate moron. But that's how you make yourself look when you write something like that.

Get it right--and make yourself look as intelligent and well-educated as you truly are. :techman:

Isn't shit like this sooooooooooooooo annoying! I mean the grammer police not little misspellings or typos etc. Why even bother posting this when it's bound to happen again and again...you think you're little lesson will stop it?
Now if this poster was illiterate then they wouldn't be able to write at all.

See when people do this nonsense and need to point it out so vigourously it just makes themeselves look anal -- like they are....! :p
 
I want a reviewer to review a film compared to other similar films, not compared to "the perfect film". I want a reviewer who is reviewing Star Trek to compare it to other Star Trek films and other sci-fi adventure films in its class and genre. I don't expect it to be compared against Citizen Kane, Lawrence of Arabia, Casablanca, The Third Man (my personal favorite) or any of the films that are ubiquitous among most top 10 lists..

While Rob Schneider was okay as Deuce Bigelow: Male Gigolo, you can't help but wonder where the movie could've gone if it had starred a young Charlton Heston or Alec Guinness and been under the direction of Orson Welles.
 
I want a reviewer to review a film compared to other similar films, not compared to "the perfect film". I want a reviewer who is reviewing Star Trek to compare it to other Star Trek films and other sci-fi adventure films in its class and genre. I don't expect it to be compared against Citizen Kane, Lawrence of Arabia, Casablanca, The Third Man (my personal favorite) or any of the films that are ubiquitous among most top 10 lists..

While Rob Schneider was okay as Deuce Bigelow: Male Gigolo, you can't help but wonder where the movie could've gone if it had starred a young Charlton Heston or Alec Guinness and been under the direction of Orson Welles.

I love Alec Guinness' comedies (most of them dark comedies) such as The Ladykillers, Kind Hearts and Coronets, The Last Holiday, Our Man in Havana, etc.)

Duece Bigelow could have retained its basic plot, BUT if it was more cleverly written (like the films listed above), it would have deserved better reviews. Even a "madcap comedy" can still be a very high quality film.
 
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The film is utterly shallow and offers only a rote portrayal of great tragedy; only a superficial set of motivations for most of the actions portrayed.
A JJ Abrams movie shallow? Say it ain't so!
 
I still don't understand why this story could of not been told without Time Travel and revising all that came before it, why isn't the story of Jim Kirk Interesting enough to do that?

I vaguely remember a JJ quote I have been searching for weeks for with no luck.

In it JJ claims, (remember, based on vague memory) After this film comes out I will argue, these characters could have experienced these origins the same way in the non time travel version. Or something like that.

The point I got from it at the time was we are seeing TOS origins here too. The character arcs work in both versions.

Wish I could find the quote to ensure I was hearing it correctly...
 
Shape-shifter:

It was Bob Orci who said that in an interview with Trekmovie.com back in December. Here's a excerpt:

Anthony (Trekmovie.com): [snip]...So the big question is: Is the destruction of the Kelvin, the canon reason why everything is different?

Bob: It is the reason why some things are different, but not everything is different. Not everything is inconsistent with what might have actually happened, in canon. Some of the things that seem that they are totally different, I will argue, once the film comes out, fall well within what could have been the non-time travel version of this move.

When I first read this interview, I expected that to mean the charcaters would end up in pretty much the same place as with TOS.

Here's the whole interview. This exchange was in the very beginning of the interview:
http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob...-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/
 
Shape-shifter:

It was Bob Orci who said that in an interview with Tremmovie.com back in December. Here's a excerpt:

Anthony (Trekmovie.com): ...So the big question is: Is the destruction of the Kelvin, the canon reason why everything is different?

Bob: It is the reason why some things are different, but not everything is different. Not everything is inconsistent with what might have actually happened, in canon. Some of the things that seem that they are totally different, I will argue, once the film comes out, fall well within what could have been the non-time travel version of this move.

I, too, when I first read this interview expected that to mean that the charcaters would end up in pretty much the same place as with TOS.

Here's the whole interview:
http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob...-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/

Finally!!! :alienblush: I was wrong on two counts but, at last, closure. Thank you, Jackson_Roykirk!
 
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