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Skeleton Found By Cave Divers Estimated To Be One Of The Oldest In Nor

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Skeleton Found By Cave Divers Estimated To Be One Of The Oldest In North America.

http://www.isciencetimes.com/articl...on-found-cave-divers-estimated-one-oldest.htm

A cave-diving team found the remains of the sixth oldest skeleton found in the Americas, which links her ancestry with the earliest Americans to today's modern Native American, unraveling another clue to our human history. The story and details on the discovery of the well-preserved teenage skeleton, who they've named "Naia,"

Her remains were found in an underwater Yucatan Peninsula bell-shaped cave structure in a large pit named Hoyo Negro in Mexico. The center was littered with large boulders stacked on top of each other, and there the skeletal remains sat seemingly waiting to be discovered. Her pelvic bone was shattered and the break was dated back to the time of her death, which has led scientists to believe she plummeted to the bottom of the cave where she remained trapped for thousands of years.
"The preservation of all the bones in this deep water-filled cave is amazing -- the bones are beautifully laid out," said Patricia A. Beddows, the department chair of Earth and Planetary Sciences in Northwestern's Weinberg College.
"The girl's skeleton is exceptionally complete because of the environment in which she died -- she ended up in the right water and in a quiet place without any soil. Her pristine preservation enabled our team to extract enough DNA to determine her shared genetic code with modern Native Americans, " Bellows added.

Another instance of an ancient skeleton belonging to the female gender.

In this case how could the water keep the skeleton so well preserved if the bacteria in the water would otherwise break it down into its base compounds?

Another oldie but a goodie - http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...missing-link-chimps-ardipithecus-ramidus.html

3.2 million year old female fossil that finally puts to rest Darwin's theory of humans evolving from apes.

But why do ape skulls and early human skulls look so similar? Why did the ape brain stop evolving?
 
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You are operating under some severe misunderstandings. Please read this carefully.

1) Darwin's theory does NOT say that humans evolved from apes. He suggested that apes and humans evolved from an earlier, common ancestor.

2) If apes and humans evolved from a common ancestor, it stands to reason that early human skulls and early ape skulls would be similar.

3) Nothing said the ape brain stopped evolving. Apes are not an earlier form of humans. They're primates who evolved over the exact same amount of time as humans-- but they evolved along a different track.
 
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You are operating under some severe misunderstandings. Please read this carefully.

1) Darwin's theory does NOT say that humans evolved from apes. He suggested that apes and humans evolved from an earlier, common ancestor.

2) If apes and humans evolved from a common ancestor, it stands to reason that early human skulls and early ape skulls would be similar.

3) Nothing said the ape brain stopped evolving. Apes are not an earlier form of humans. They're primates who evolved over the exact same amount of time as humans-- but they evolved along a different track.

I usually look at it as/think of it as apes are just earlier in the evolution curve. In a few million years we'll be something else entirely and what we call apes today will be closer to what we are today.

Evolution is always happening and always moving forward. It's not all or none game.
 
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What we call apes today are gibbons, orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, and bonobos. I think it's contradictory to say "apes will be closer to what we are today". As you say, it's not all or none, so which apes do you mean? Maybe one group of apes will resemble man more, maybe others will not. But those apes have all diverged from each other as well as us, evolving along different paths. Surely you're not imagining every one of them is somehow "behind" man in a different way? Do they all just need to practice convergent evolution to catch up? How does that work?

Evolution is always happening, but I don't think "moving forward" applies. That implies it has a goal and a desired end.
 
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Trekker, the modern great apes don't represent an "earlier" evolutionary stage; in certain ways they actually have changed more from our common ancestor than humans did. Chimpanzees have become extremely specialized for living in trees and have adaptations like grasping feet and the ability to swing by their arms - adaptations that weren't present in our common ancestor. Knuckle-walking is also a specialized adaptation that most likely evolved separately in chimpanzees and gorillas, so our common ancestor wasn't a knuckle-walker like modern apes are. Based on Ardipithecus, which is the most complete specimen fairly close to the divergence between the human and chimpanzee lineage (although its exact position is unclear), our common ancestor was much more generalized in its locomotion (could walk bipedally and did not have any special tree-climbing adaptations) and diet than either humans or chimpanzees. Our two groups probably split as chimpanzees specialized to live in forests and human ancestors specialized to live in open grasslands.
 
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I'm calling it now: time travel.
 
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This notion that evolution is somehow a conscience force that's driving every and all life to some kind of Human-like perfection is surprisingly common. If there were anything behind that, however, we would have no bacteria, anymore. No worms. No dung beetles. No lower life-forms, at all. I suspect that "evolution" is such a Fifty-Cent word that people get the wrong impression by it. Adaptation would be more applicable and appropriate and if we'd used that, or a similar word, maybe certain segments of society would feel less threatened by it. Not all adaptations are enough to guarantee success in the wilds to pass on genes. Neanderthal Man is certainly extinct, and he was Human. Even Humanity is not enough to guarantee survival and if that's what all of Nature were striving to become, then that almost goes against its own survival, in a way. And in that sense, ultimately, the Human species has probably "had" it ...
 
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This notion that evolution is somehow a conscience force that's driving every and all life to some kind of Human-like perfection is surprisingly common. If there were anything behind that, however, we would have no bacteria, anymore. No worms. No dung beetles. No lower life-forms, at all. I suspect that "evolution" is such a Fifty-Cent word that people get the wrong impression by it. Adaptation would be more applicable and appropriate and if we'd used that, or a similar word, maybe certain segments of society would feel less threatened by it. Not all adaptations are enough to guarantee success in the wilds to pass on genes. Neanderthal Man is certainly extinct, and he was Human. Even Humanity is not enough to guarantee survival and if that's what all of Nature were striving to become, then that almost goes against its own survival, in a way. And in that sense, ultimately, the Human species has probably "had" it ...

I don't even like the word adaptation. I think it can also imply that there is some kind of conscious effort being played out.

"Lucky mutations" would be far more accurate.
 
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Also apparently the need to imbibe alcohol.
 
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As to the length of time in the water not breaking down the bones, the anaerobic (low oxygen) condition of the water kept the bones from breaking down.
http://www.archaeological.org/news/currentprojects/4673

Low oxygen meaning that there was not enough energy present for microbes to consume in order to break down the calcium in the bones but there was enough oxygen present that allowed for other microbes to feed on the organs and flesh?

If this is true then when we find a planet that have liquid hydrogen that hasn't evaporated into the atmosphere could be add oxygen to it to create H2O naturally?
 
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As to the length of time in the water not breaking down the bones, the anaerobic (low oxygen) condition of the water kept the bones from breaking down.
http://www.archaeological.org/news/currentprojects/4673

Low oxygen meaning that there was not enough energy present for microbes to consume in order to break down the calcium in the bones but there was enough oxygen present that allowed for other microbes to feed on the organs and flesh?

If this is true then when we find a planet that have liquid hydrogen that hasn't evaporated into the atmosphere could be add oxygen to it to create H2O naturally?

Correct, however, for hydrogen to be in "... a full liquid state without evaporating at atmospheric pressure, it needs to be cooled to 20.28 K[2] (−423.17 °F/−252.87°C)."
Properties Of Gases. Roymech.co.uk. Retrieved on 2011-08-28.


In case you want to go gaseous state for the Hydrogen:
"A famous example of a hydrogen/oxygen explosion performed under uncontrolled circumstances is the deadly 1937 explosion of the Hindenburg zeppelin in New Jersey>"

Oh, the illogic-illity...

<http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geophysics/manufacture-water.htm> 14 December 2014.
 
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I dunno, maybe the two would go together. We'd need to warm the place up a little, anyway.
 
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This notion that evolution is somehow a conscience force that's driving every and all life to some kind of Human-like perfection is surprisingly common. If there were anything behind that, however, we would have no bacteria, anymore. No worms. No dung beetles. No lower life-forms, at all. I suspect that "evolution" is such a Fifty-Cent word that people get the wrong impression by it. Adaptation would be more applicable and appropriate and if we'd used that, or a similar word, maybe certain segments of society would feel less threatened by it. Not all adaptations are enough to guarantee success in the wilds to pass on genes. Neanderthal Man is certainly extinct, and he was Human. Even Humanity is not enough to guarantee survival and if that's what all of Nature were striving to become, then that almost goes against its own survival, in a way. And in that sense, ultimately, the Human species has probably "had" it ...

I don't even like the word adaptation. I think it can also imply that there is some kind of conscious effort being played out.

"Lucky mutations" would be far more accurate.

That doesn't even make sense. Are you simply projecting your anti-intelligent design stance or what? The whole point of adaptation is that certain genes proved to be more advantageous than others. Meaning, those with the advantageous genes can adapt to their environment better than those who do not have the advantage. So, there shouldn't be a problem with the word 'adaptation', since there is not an outside force creating the circumstances that favors one gene over another. Heck, I don't think that mutation should be used, if there is already a large enough gene pool to create a variety of organisms within that same species. Imo.
 
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As to the length of time in the water not breaking down the bones, the anaerobic (low oxygen) condition of the water kept the bones from breaking down.
http://www.archaeological.org/news/currentprojects/4673

Could this possibly be a method of transporting humans into deep space?

If water is used that is low in oxygen to encase the person in water where nutrients are distributed into the water and then absorbed by the skin would the low oxygen water also help preserve the entire body in the same manner?
 
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