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Singly most hated & despised ep of the whole 79

"Plato's Stepchildren" or "The Children Shall Lead" or "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield."

"A single line" ironing out a logical of some kind early in "The Children Shall Lead" would have done not a thing to save the story or even improve it very much - it was just shitty. Solving a minor plot flaw has very little to do with the quality of a story.
 
Haha! I'll crack my knuckles and jump for joy...thanks!! :lol:
Funny, when I was a kid, I HATED Omega Glory, but with age, I've come to see the brilliance of the ep. It's just so well written; F**K the improbability!
& Kirk reading E-Plebnista RULES!!!!!!:techman:
 
Turnabout Intruder for me. It just always grated on the nerves.

Though Shat deserves a nod for his portrayal of the Looney Dr. Lester playing Kirk. It was sooo over the top and hysterical and yet..deeply disturbing..

I mean....a firing squad?!

So dispite its good points it just irks me I usually don't watch it if I catch it on air.

*Shrugs*

Vons
 
"Plato's Stepchildren" or "The Children Shall Lead" or "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield."

"A single line" ironing out a logical of some kind early in "The Children Shall Lead" would have done not a thing to save the story or even improve it very much - it was just shitty. Solving a minor plot flaw has very little to do with the quality of a story.

You're confusing story with storyTELLING. It's a horribly made episode, full of bad direction, bad acting, and bad choices for music and other peripherals, for which I curse the name of Fred Freiberger every chance I get. But the one line I mentioned(which would have added about two seconds of screen time) would have taken a non-sensical story and put at least a modicum of sense to it.
 
"Plato's Stepchildren" or "The Children Shall Lead" or "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield."

"A single line" ironing out a logical of some kind early in "The Children Shall Lead" would have done not a thing to save the story or even improve it very much - it was just shitty. Solving a minor plot flaw has very little to do with the quality of a story.

You're confusing story with storyTELLING. It's a horribly made episode, full of bad direction, bad acting, and bad choices for music and other peripherals, for which I curse the name of Fred Freiberger every chance I get. But the one line I mentioned(which would have added about two seconds of screen time) would have taken a non-sensical story and put at least a modicum of sense to it.

The Final Draft script dated June 21, 1968 sheds a little bit of light on this issue.

In Scene 215 after Mister Spock plays back the tape of the children's chant from earlier, Kirk moves from his position where he was standing near Spock's station and goes over in front of the turbo lift where Melvin Belli is slowly beginning to appear:

KIRK

The time has come to gather and
see the world as it is.

The shimmering figure of Gorgan begins to appear
before the boys who do not form a circle, only watch,
uncertain, confused.

KIRK
(continuing)

Come -- join us. You must
have a name.

TOMMY
(defiantly)

He is Gorgan. He is our friend --
and he is powerful.

Now Gorgan reaches full flower.

GORGAN
(confused)

Who has summoned me?

KIRK

I did, Gorgan. My beast is gone.
It lost its power in the light of
reality. I command again. And I
ordered you to appear.


It's hard to tell if the dialog was shot but not used or if it was simply never shot at all. My hunch, from looking at how the scene is edited, is that the little bit of dialog was indeed shot but not ultimately used.

It's a little plot hole, I guess, and it's hard to say why the two seconds of dialog wasn't used. I guess it slowed down the exquisite storytelling that was going on and I guess the writer and/or director and/or editor just figured that the audience would simply conclude that one of the kids told Kirk the name of this alien being offscreen at some point.

Like Dennis said: this line doesn't really salvage the episode. But it's interesting that it's not a plot hole that someone forgot to fill; rather, it's a plot hole someone intentionally chose to create for some unknown reason.
 
Looking back at my list, I see the following rated as "0" or "less than meh".

They are, in order of not good to awful, by season:

1st

Galileo 7
Squire of Gothos
Charlie X
Return of the Archons
Alternative Factor
Miri
Conscience of the King

2nd

Catspaw
Gamesters of Triskelion

and 3rd

Spock Brain*
And the children shall lead
Wink of an Eye
Lights of Zetar
Cloudminders

Of all of those, I'd say Conscience of the King is the absolute worst followed by Cloudminders and Lights of Zetar. The rest have lameness issues, but at lease *something* in them to recommend them.

*If Spock's Brain was supposed to be camp, then I don't think it's bad at all.
 
They are, in order of not good to awful, by season:

1st

Galileo 7
Squire of Gothos
Charlie X
Return of the Archons
Alternative Factor
Miri
Conscience of the King

2nd

Catspaw
Gamesters of Triskelion
Up to this point, I'd think you'd been pumped full of cordrazine.;)
and 3rd

Spock Brain*
And the children shall lead
Wink of an Eye
Lights of Zetar
Cloudminders
While I do not agree with the last three, I can at least understand the choices, given the third season "problems.":vulcan:
 
Up to this point, I'd think you'd been pumped full of cordrazine.

You're more forgiving than I am.

Honestly, with the exception of my three least faves, all of those eps still feel like Trek. They may have a bad story or bad execution, but I can still enjoy them or pieces of them.

The bottom three are like lousy fan fic.
 
I've always enjoyed The Conscience of the King - but then I'm something of a thespian anyway...

I've never really liked The Omega Glory.
 
My vote for worst is that one with the space hippies.

I've never actually been able to listen to the vile noises they made, and kept stabbing the mute button during the episode.

What were they thinking?
 
Well, there was one thing I did like about the hippie episode, the music. The closest thing to a music based show Star Trek ever got.
 
My vote for worst is that one with the space hippies.

I've never actually been able to listen to the vile noises they made, and kept stabbing the mute button during the episode.

What were they thinking?

^^ Rather like I feel with rap music.

Anyone recall James Blish's forward to his story in his adaptation? He said his one regret was that he couldn't put the music in his story, and he called the songs "wonderful". I think it's a reflection of the times; I imagine lots of college-age students felt differently about the music in "The Way to Eden" than we do today (I never cared for the tunes...but Adam's futuristic guitar is way cool).

Hippies never had an opinion on this episode, because they didn't watch TV in the 60's. At least the hippies in my neighborhood didn't.
 
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