Discussion in 'Star Trek: Enterprise' started by Ro Boat, May 29, 2009.

  1. Ro Boat

    Ro Boat Lieutenant Red Shirt

    May 9, 2009
    The Front Range
    This is what I was getting at when I mentioned that the crew's interactions with Sim are difficult to believe. This is exacerbated by the fact that everyone on the ship should have known that he was a clone created solely for the purpose of saving Trip. His seemingly tight connection is a little unbelievable.

    That being said, I'm still going to give it another shot taking into account what everyone has said here. I definitely see some of the points for why this is such a great episode.
  2. HopefulRomantic

    HopefulRomantic Phloxist moderator Moderator

    Aug 18, 2004
    HopefulRomantic is fangirling over TVXQ!
    It wasn't established in the episode that Phlox kept Sim sequestered in sickbay, taking his meals in secret. Hoshi was in sickbay to read to him; there might have been others who came to ask about Trip, and met Sim in the process. Phlox struck me as a caring father who seemed intent on giving the boy a good life, which would probably include exercise, stimulating environments, playtime, and socialization. In a deleted scene, Archer found young (12 year old) Sim playing with Porthos, so the kid had a companion to play with.

    If the boy made a good impression whenever he met someone, in the mess hall or playing with the dog or learning about the ship--if he were personable, polite, interested in the world of the ship--it's very credible to me that he would be "adopted" by the crew as one of their own.

    If the crew had been told that Sim was here to save Commander Tucker's life, and afterward Sim would live out the rest of his natural lifespan of only two weeks...the crew could, of course, avoid the kid because he'd be out from underfoot in a couple weeks. Or they might seek him out and befriend him, because of why he was here, and because he wouldn't be here for long. The script seems to indicate that the crew chose to embrace him.

    That scene took place in the mess hall, not sickbay. Phlox said Sim spent "this morning" taking apart his medical tricorder.

    By the time we first see the 17-year-oldish Sim, Archer has already assigned him to engineering, and he has been working there with T'Pol for an unspecified time. With the repair of the engines a top priority, it's possible that he worked with her from dawn to dusk (so to speak). By the time Sim tells her she's all he thinks about, they could have spent many hours together.

    JiNX has already addressed this, but there's also the possibility of "love at first sight"...or in this case, a couple-three days. It does happen to people. I knew only two hours after meeting my future husband that he was very, very special.

    If you don't buy the episode, you don't buy it. But it worked for me.
  3. JiNX-01

    JiNX-01 Admiral Admiral

    Dec 29, 2002
    Oh, that is so sweet. Not to derail the topic, but how long did it take him? [​IMG]
  4. Penguin

    Penguin Commander Red Shirt

    Oct 5, 2008
    HR, not trying to be argumentative. However, I have read two Fanfics of yours where you have T-Pol and sim at the movies and T-Pol seems to be coming on to Sim

    In the other you have Sim in love with T-Pol.

    so I believe that you are a bit biased.

    As you say you see Sim one way and I see Sim another way.
  5. bluedana

    bluedana Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    May 1, 2006
    T'Pol is grappling with attraction/affection for Sim, which she may not be able to separate from her attraction/affection for Trip, hence the kiss goodbye. Sim goes from puppy love to a confusion of feeling; he admits he's not sure if they're his feelings or Trip's. It's one of the charming and altogether tragic elements of the story. I've read HR's fics, and she nicely captures what is represented in the episode: two confused people trying to figure out how they feel, what they feel, and why the feel it. (Having a bias one way or the other is not the same as being wrong.)
  6. HopefulRomantic

    HopefulRomantic Phloxist moderator Moderator

    Aug 18, 2004
    HopefulRomantic is fangirling over TVXQ!
    About the same. There was this mutual...spark. [​IMG] Just like you hear in song and story.

    That's an interesting interpretation of the story.

    Are you referring to "Preview of Coming Attraction" or "Overload"? In the latter, there is more of an least from Phlox's perspective.

    Keep in mind that the stories are told from Phlox's point of view.

    My canon "missing scene" stories, such as the Sim series, are creative extrapolations based on what I see in an episode. My previous post is also speculation based on what we saw in "Similitude":
    • Phlox caring lovingly for baby Sim
    • no evidence that Phlox kept Sim isolated in sickbay
    • Hoshi visiting sickbay to read with Sim
    • a scene with Sim and Phlox in the mess hall, indicating that he might take his meals there
    • young Sim's personable and curious attitude
    • the deleted scene with Sim playing with Porthos (okay, you saw it if you bought the DVDs)
    • Archer's log entry mentioning that Sim has practically become a member of the crew, and that Sim has been working in engineering with T'Pol
    • the desperate urgency of getting the engines up and running again, likely necessitating long hours and/or double shifts in engineering
    • T'Pol's line to Sim: "I just want you to know how much your absence will affect the much it will affect me."
    • Teenage Sim asking T'Pol out on a date in engineering (twice)
    • Sim's line to T'Pol: "You're all I think about..."
    • Sim's line to Phlox: "You were a damn good father."
    • Phlox's line to Sim: "You're a damn good son."
    We did not see the crew informed why Sim was suddenly in their midst; my musings above are speculation. But it seems unlikely that they would have been kept in the dark about this sudden new person who grew inhumanly quickly and would eventually resemble Trip, and die of old age in two weeks.

    Thanks, bluedana. :) I'm glad you liked the stories.
  7. suebsg9

    suebsg9 Commander Red Shirt

    May 11, 2008
    This eps always ranks up there as one of my fav eps.