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'Sigh'...A feminist review of Star Trek XI

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I don't understand why the mini-skirt is a sticking point. Yes, it prevents the wearer from doing high kicks if she's hung up on not flashing her underwear (unless she's wearing cheerleader pants under it, which isn't that improbable). And this Uhura didn't seem at all bothered by appearing in her skivvies in front of someone, so I doubt that she would hesitate to do anything necessary just because "Oh my gawd, someone might see my underwear!" I just don't see this Uhura as a generic high-kicking action girl anyway (and the writers would have to be retarded to make her one just for fanservice or placating "feminists").

Frankly, for shipboard duty there's no truly practical style of uniform. If you wear an armored hardsuit to protect you from the exploding instrumentation or decompression, it's uncomfortable, confining, and limits mobility far more than a miniskirt ever could. If you wear anything other than an armored hardsuit, you risk all sorts of painful bodily harm (burns, shrapnel, lacerations) when the shit hits the fan every other episode. A pair of pants is not going to protect you from hot flying metal -- and they may make the situation worse by catching fire or melting into the wound.

The uniforms were purely a throwback to the originals and they work because there's no good answer to the problem. If a starship can be thrust into combat with no warning, then there's nothing you can do except either wear armor 24/7 or make sure your crew compartments are suitably hardened and wear whatever's comfortable and looks good otherwise.
 
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^Ultimately, it really is just a case of people thinking that in order to be "equal", attractive women must dress up in baggy "practical" clothes in order to be taken seriously.
 
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I'm no prude over here...I'm just tired of the INEQUALITY that goes on....women are naked and men are not....anyone who denies that fact is either not watching tv/movies on this planet or is dillusional.

Not been watching the CW lately have you ?

Ok so that's one for the delusional column.

Why ? The CW's target audience is women and many of their shows feature male characters who are somewhat, shall we say, "clothing averse".

Number one example being Smallville's Justin Hartley. In last week's episode, for instance, he's lying around butt naked while the censor panic button was pushed because the object of his attention undid one button on her blouse.
 
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Well, I enjoyed seeing Kirk in his underwear. He's adorable.
 
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I'm no prude over here...I'm just tired of the INEQUALITY that goes on....women are naked and men are not....anyone who denies that fact is either not watching tv/movies on this planet or is dillusional.

Not been watching the CW lately have you ?

Or any show on any channel where the lead characters are age 18-30?
 
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Not been watching the CW lately have you ?

Ok so that's one for the delusional column.

Why ? The CW's target audience is women and many of their shows feature male characters who are somewhat, shall we say, "clothing averse".

Number one example being Smallville's Justin Hartley. In last week's episode, for instance, he's lying around butt naked while the censor panic button was pushed because the object of his attention undid one button on her blouse.

Because mama said you are delusional and that's that...no arguing or you'll go to bed with no supper and I may have to spank you ;) -- even though you like that sort of thing...that will still be your punishment!

Yeah this thread's making me hotttt toooo!

I don't watch the CW except for met games and Star Trek which they run once a week. I'm glad you can provide a few examples of where men are more scantilly clad than women....do I need to write my examples of where it's the other way around because ya know I'll be typing well into the night.
 
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I'm no prude over here...I'm just tired of the INEQUALITY that goes on....women are naked and men are not....anyone who denies that fact is either not watching tv/movies on this planet or is dillusional.

Not been watching the CW lately have you ?

Or any show on any channel where the lead characters are age 18-30?

What's your point....because it can't be that men are naked more often than women on these shows that target the 18-30 demographic....
 
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What's your point....because it can't be that men are naked more often than women on these shows that target the 18-30 demographic....

That's exactly his point because he's right. The level of overcompensation is ridiculous.

I don't watch the CW except for met games and Star Trek which they run once a week. I'm glad you can provide a few examples of where men are more scantilly clad than women....do I need to write my examples of where it's the other way around because ya know I'll be typing well into the night.

I only need to give one example: TV. A million shows, a million ads.
 
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^Ultimately, it really is just a case of people thinking that in order to be "equal", attractive women must dress up in baggy "practical" clothes in order to be taken seriously.

Yeah, pretty much. It's the same kind of thinking that leads people to put down female characters who aren't action heroes throwing punches at everything that looks at 'em sideways. Or if the female character isn't the captain, then she's just eyecandy decoration for the bridge. Or if she isn't the one handholding everyone else through the plot, then she's useless and trivial.

Anyone who makes these kind of judgments... take a good look at what you're doing here. It's you who is trivializing female characters. It's you who's putting down a character for her sex. Not the writers.
 
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Kirk had nothing but his underwear on in the scene where Uhura was in her underwear.

It was not political in any way.

Agreed. People in underwear are a non-issue.

The issue is strong female representation, and the lack thereof.

~String
 
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Who the hell wants to see a strong chick anyways? Gimme the flashy boobies! :p
 
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Who the hell wants to see a strong chick anyways? Gimme the flashy boobies! :p

You sound like a person who's never known the manifold pleasures of being manhandled by a hawt chick who can hold her own... ;)

EDIT: Dammit, now I'm getting dragged into the gutter half of the thread!
 
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I guess if they had no sense of modesty whatsoever, they could do all those things completely naked, too. The point is that women, no less then men, should be permitted to wear clothes in which they feel comfortable enough to be able to perform various activities at maximum efficiency, and the mini ain't it.

Says you. You're breaking rule number one - Do Not Judge 23rd or 24th Century People By 20th or 21st Century Standards.

It also makes Trek seem like something campy, kitschy, and over the top, rather than something one can view as a serious representation of life in the future.
Why should that future be so conservative ? Nobody is willing to answer a simple question - why must Uhura cover herself up to be considered competent ?

Has no-one considered the possibility that 23rd century society is at a point where a woman like Uhura does not have to apologise for being attractive ?

As for climate, it always bugged me that 9 times out of 10, the planets they visited in TOS seemed to be a perfect 75 degrees with no precipitation. Yeah, right. I'll be happy if both men and women in the new version's away teams have to alter their typical clothing to accommodate some (truly) alien environments.
Star Trek had this thing called a budget. Problem was, it wasn't a very big budget. Thankfully, they spent their money on telling stories instead of rain machines.

Word,100X!:techman::)

And these ladies should find something to do with their lives instead of crying about seeing somebody else's femilumina, as I said before.
 
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