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So, you have control over their glands?
Of course not.
She does nothing for me either... Chris Pine and Anton Yelchin on the other hand...
Should Zoe Saldana Wear a Fatsuit in ST: XII?
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So, you have control over their glands?
Of course not.
She does nothing for me either... Chris Pine and Anton Yelchin on the other hand...
Yes, I took it as a nerd joke. Because all male Trek fans are thirty-year-olds who live in their parents’ basements and have never been laid.
Well, nerd jokes are funny.
If Zoe looks like a sixteen-year-old boy, there must be some strange-looking sixteen-year-old boys walking around these days.
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I love Zoe Saldana (in a professional sense, of course). She's just fine exactly as she is.
Yes, I ended that sentence on a preposition.
Yes, I ended that sentence on a preposition.
Which, of course, is the sort of thing up with which I will not put.
That better than beginning it with a zero.
i love you!
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To be honest, she did come off as pretty mercenary. Especially in the scene with Spock in the academy hanger.
Even while watching the movie for the first time in the theater, I wondered if she was romancing Spock because of his position in Starfleet, with the academy and what he could do for her professional.
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To be honest, she did come off as pretty mercenary. Especially in the scene with Spock in the academy hanger.
Even while watching the movie for the first time in the theater, I wondered if she was romancing Spock because of his position in Starfleet, with the academy and what he could do for her professional.
I never saw that at all. I saw a career minded officer rightfully questioning her superior about her being placed on the second stringers team when she's the best in her class at what she does and has earned her position on the best ship in the fleet. Her superior, who is romantically involved, simply wanted to avoid any impression of impropriety and assigned her where she did not belong. She was right to correct his error in judgment.
To be honest, she did come off as pretty mercenary. Especially in the scene with Spock in the academy hanger.
Even while watching the movie for the first time in the theater, I wondered if she was romancing Spock because of his position in Starfleet, with the academy and what he could do for her professional.
I never saw that at all. I saw a career minded officer rightfully questioning her superior about her being placed on the second stringers team when she's the best in her class at what she does and has earned her position on the best ship in the fleet. Her superior, who is romantically involved, simply wanted to avoid any impression of impropriety and assigned her where she did not belong. She was right to correct his error in judgment.
The fact that she had a little smirk about it is just gravy.
Spock's error in judgment was becoming romantically involved with one of his students. Uhura did nothing to correct this error.
Uhura's own error in judgment was invoking her personal relationship with superior officer to obtain a cherry assignment that she desired.
Without that personal relationship, that personal connection, it's difficult to imagine the exact same hanger conversation taking place.
No, she came off as someone who was standing up for herself and calling Spock on some bullshit.
You know, it's not great judgment and often is a violation of rules or ethics for people in certain workplaces - and particularly students and faculty - to get emotionally and/or sexually involved with one another. Nonetheless it happens all the goddamned time between actual human beings. Having gotten thus involved, it can be particularly challenging for the partner in the subordinate situation to deal with issues and suspicions of special treatment either positive or negative. Certainly the temptation to take advantage of the situation exists, and the fear of having one's vulnerability to exposure or embarrassment exploited if one challenges mistreatment is real.
What happens in that scene is that Uhura has a reasonable (to her, at least) expectation based upon her performance and qualifications that she'll get a requested assignment.
When she confronts Spock and spells out the reasons she's best qualified, he cannot and does not give her a good reason that he passed her over. Instead, he admits that he was only concerned by appearances. And she calls him on that.
If Spock had been able to say "In fact, Lieutenant Whatitz had higher test scores and has logged more hours on this-that-or-the-other etc than you and is therefore better qualified" then you'd have had a different scene and different outcome.
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Agreed!
No.
From the movie:
She obviously earned that assignment, and Spock, in an effort to avoid anything that may have appeared below the table, was going to assign her to something less than what she had earned. It was his error in judgment, not hers.
You're right, she would have already been assigned to the Enterprise. The dialog shows conclusively that it was Spock purposely downgrading her assignment for reasons completely unrelated to her competency. Also, Dennis is right.Without that personal relationship, that personal connection, it's difficult to imagine the exact same hanger conversation taking place.
Not mercenary. She can't be, since nobody in the 23rd C is motivated by money. Assertive, maybe, but there's nothing wrong with that. Girl knows what she wants, and goes after it.
I admire that in a character.As for the impropriety of their relationship, I'm not altogether clear that it's considered improper in the 23rd C, what with their looser morals and all. It's improper enough that Spock got uptight about how things look, but that might be just him being his usual neurotic self.
Yep, the only one whose behavior was questionable in that scene was Spock.
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