Should we fear and resent robots?

[suarezguy]

Are they and will they be taking our jobs? Destroying jobs, occupations, livelihoods for people even if it does lead to lower prices for the rich and upper-middle class while the lower income groups get much lower?

If they are, will be taking the jobs, should the resentment be just against the governments that don't aid those who lose their jobs? Is that reaction realistic?

 

[Kilana2]

No, unless you are member of the Zhat Vash.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Why NOT be scared of robots? They're everywhere. And they eat old people's medicine for fuel.

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[auntiehill]

Only if they vote Republican.

 

[Imaus]

The robots have been here for decades. They have taken jobs. Along with algorithms and computers and digitialization.

It's on the governments to actually shift their resources and uphold their end of the social contract to take care of their citizenry and build opportunities. New job skill training. Education to help people get new degrees and specializations. Taxing the bougies more than actually little to nil and using it to invest in infrastructure and welfare for those who will be left behind as they're too old or not capable of keeping up, and a healthcare system to keep citizens healthy and fit to keep them competitive, alive, learning, and working.

It's just like the time of the textile mills, steel mills, auto factories. People will move into the cities, they or their children will adapt to the new job market, many will struggle. This has happened before so much that governments have no reason not to know what will happen. But the last fifty years has also seen a wave of deregulation, a GDP focus, hoardism, and loosened tax burden on those who can actually give more than they do.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'm actually OK with robots...as long as there aren't many copies which have a plan.

 

[Non Sync]

This is why we need:

 

[Tenacity]

Apparently the robot he's fighting is a Ho.

 

[publiusr]

They SAY they won't hurt us
https://news.yahoo.com/robots-wont-steal-jobs-rebel-142646810.html

But the last fifty years has also seen a wave of deregulation, a GDP focus, hoardism, and loosened tax burden on those who can actually give more than they do.

Well, I’d have no problem giving Musk a 100% tax break, in that—had he been taxed more—half that revenue would have gone to the military, and not electric cars and rockets. As for Gates and Buffet and the Koch’s…yeah, soak ‘em. Musk earned his money on how it’s spent. Mr. Wonderful (from shark tank)? Not so much.

I am a big believer in keeping “obsolete” tech going in case of EMP/solar flares and hacking. Two things have hurt us: we’ve become disconnected from the land (Borlung meant well) and Moravek’s Paradox bit us in the ass.

Growing up, I thought we’d have Robby cutting the grass and folding clothes…leaving humans to do creative work, like writing music and such.

That’s how it should have been.

As it turns out, jukedeck which is all code writes music just fine, but a robot cherry picker winds up being what’s hard…making the lack of value placed on labor even more galling.

Poor laborers wind up paying rich doctors who make, what? 100,000 a year? Here is an idea. Make all drugs over the counter. Yes you will have ODs but you have those anyway. Like license plates, have the state make them at cost. Robots or no. Each person’s body chemistry is different, so you have a medical WATSON that can remember EVERY JAMA article diagnose you in a blood-pressure kiosk like at pharmacies. Zip-zip, out comes compounded medicine just for you. That’ll be 20 bucks thank you. You see a doctor for a broken arm. Obamacare was not socialized medicine…the mandate was a way for private insurance to force everyone in the same pool due to an aging populace..so insurance men and doctors still make money. The old Santorum accu-weather bill shows that privatization can increase costs for consumers.

Now if a business man can make this medication Watson work…fine. I’m a centrist myself….and I try to combine different approaches. Libertarianism in removing the prescription from existence, state owned pill manufacturing and research to lower costs.

Don’t tell folks how to live their lives though. A medico-Watson will lower medical mistakes…a leading cause of death forgotten and brushed aside with some of the doctor worship…with Covid pushing the cause of patients rights backwards. Automation can be enobling. I have no problem with Deep Fakes…if done right. But that’s another topic.

Assembly-bots
https://www.robodaily.com/m/reports...tential_for_making_larger_structures_999.html

Wheel-bots
https://techxplore.com/news/2022-12-robot-omnidirectional-wheel-leg.html

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Swimbots and more
https://techxplore.com/news/2022-12-speedy-untethered-soft-robot-based.html

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Now they heal
https://techxplore.com/news/2022-12-soft-robot.html

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…think?
https://thedebrief.org/a-quantum-br...oblem-of-consciousness-new-research-suggests/
-work
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...he-battle-reaches-a-turning-point/ar-AA1571if
https://thedebrief.org/a-quantum-br...oblem-of-consciousness-new-research-suggests/
kill?
https://www.unexplained-mysteries.c...aces-could-create-ai-controlled-supersoldiers




The capper---automated assembly
https://techxplore.com/news/2022-12-automated-thousands.html

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[Locutus of Bored]

As automation of repetitive tasks becomes even more commonplace governments are going to have to take a more active role in retraining / reeducating / and finding work placement for workers in service industry jobs, and also consider a universal basic income that actually provides a living wage.

There's no reason to resent the tool for working. But you can resent the government that leaves its people to fall behind as they lose their jobs to automation.

And contrary to popular opinion, it's better for the economy. Wealthy people hoard their money. Poor people living day to day spend their money and bolster the economy. Taking care of the poor takes care of small and large businesses alike and maintains the economy. It's good for the country.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Don’t tell folks how to live their lives though. A medico-Watson will lower medical mistakes…a leading cause of death forgotten and brushed aside with some of the doctor worship…with Covid pushing the cause of patients rights backwards. Automation can be enobling.

I would never trust a robo-doctor with my medical care. That's a line I don't think I can cross.

 

[valkyrie013]

Resent? Possibly, if it was your job that was erased by automation, there's plenty to resent there.
Fear? Only if some AI revolution was at hand, or bad actors insert chips to cause the robots to go bad.

In reality, Jobs come, and jobs go, example, what if someone invented an oil substitute, and the oil industry goes belly up virtually overnight. thats litterally Millions of jobs that would go poof, from oil workers, weilders, burocracy, etc. all gone.

It happens. Your job is probably litteraly YOU cost less than it would cost to make a robot to do your job.

 

[Miss Chicken]

I finished reading ‘Day Zero’ by C Robert Cargill a few days ago. In it the robots turn on mankind. Except for the nanny robots who try to protect their kids.

In the novel ‘Silver Metal Lover’ by Tanith Lee most workers have lost their jobs to robots and are living in poverty on a basic income.

 

[Oddish]

We shouldn't fear them, or resent them... but we should ensure that we have total control of them.

 

[Doom Shepherd]

I'm getting in ahead of the curve.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I finished reading ‘Day Zero’ by C Robert Cargill a few days ago. In it the robots turn on mankind. Except for the nanny robots who try to protect their kids.

Have you read 'Sea of Rust'? I can't remember if it was written before or after 'Day Zero', but in it...

Spoiler: MAJOR SPOILERS I AM NOT KIDDING

Earth is a postapocalyptic wasteland where every animal and human being has been exterminated, down to the last one. Robots try to eke out a meager existence in the wreckage, while fighting a Borg-like 'One World Intelligence' that seeks to assimilate all robotic life.

 

[Coops]

Well I, for one, welcome our robot overlords...

 

[Miss Chicken]

Have you read 'Sea of Rust'? I can't remember if it was written before or after 'Day Zero', but in it...

Spoiler: MAJOR SPOILERS I AM NOT KIDDING

Earth is a postapocalyptic wasteland where every animal and human being has been exterminated, down to the last one. Robots try to eke out a meager existence in the wreckage, while fighting a Borg-like 'One World Intelligence' that seeks to assimilate all robotic life.

‘Sea of Rust’ was published before Day Zero but I decided to read the prequel first. I plan to read Sea of Rust next month.

 

[Tenacity]

"Learn to code."

And when the machines start doing that too?

 

[JirinPanthosa]

If all drugs were made at cost, who would make the investment to research new drugs?