Should TOS "The Man Trap" be remade as a J.J. Abrams Star Trek film?
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I also noticed that the JJverse Salt Vampire looked more well fed than the TOS one.
NO - Just because IMO it's one of the worst episodes of the first season of Star Trek. (Still sad that it was the first episode aired of the series in 1966.) Plus it was the fifth actually filmed, so they really have no exscuse for some of the ridiculous stuff it contains, like:
- Spock (yelling VERY emotionally): "It's KILLING the Captain!"
- The fact that Dr. Crater KNOWS its intelligent, tries to convey that to Captain Kirk (but Kirk seems oblivious, and because he doesn't like the way Dr. Crater is acting, DENIES the delivery of the salt which would have solved the whole situation - and the creature might not have killed.
- The briefing room scene where the creature impersonates McCoy again show the creature as a reasoning intelligent being; and in that scene the creature is trying to get Kirk to relent - and at that point Kirk says it should be destroyed - setting in motion the ending sequence of events.
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yep - real GR approved 'Star trek' in that episode.
- Spock (yelling VERY emotionally): "It's KILLING the Captain!"
- The fact that Dr. Crater KNOWS its intelligent, tries to convey that to Captain Kirk (but Kirk seems oblivious, and because he doesn't like the way Dr. Crater is acting, DENIES the delivery of the salt which would have solved the whole situation - and the creature might not have killed.
- The briefing room scene where the creature impersonates McCoy again show the creature as a reasoning intelligent being; and in that scene the creature is trying to get Kirk to relent - and at that point Kirk says it should be destroyed - setting in motion the ending sequence of events.
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yep - real GR approved 'Star trek' in that episode.
What is "real GR approved Star Trek?"
............really?
Of all the Trek episodes to adapt to an epic 120-minute blockbuster film, you pick The Man Trap?
No one except for the diehards, the exact audience Paramount is trying to avoid, would go see a Star Trek movie with salt vampires.
Of all the Trek episodes to adapt to an epic 120-minute blockbuster film, you pick The Man Trap?
No one except for the diehards, the exact audience Paramount is trying to avoid, would go see a Star Trek movie with salt vampires.
Yeah, well, when the salt shortages begin you'll all be singing different tunes.
A movie about a shape shifting monster possibly picking characters off one by one and possibly impersonating characters leading to a feeling of paranoia among the dwindling cast of characters.
I still say it's a good plot for a sci-if horror movie.
Enough with the endless rehashing already, if there's one message I would like to get across to people involved in Star Trek it is this. Be creative for pete's sake, the generations before you could be, why can't you?
And oh, while I'm on the subject, Star Trek crew versus bad guy that wants to destroy the world/galaxy/universe isn't exactly original either.
And oh, while I'm on the subject, Star Trek crew versus bad guy that wants to destroy the world/galaxy/universe isn't exactly original either.
I wish Into Darkness was a loose adaptation of 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' instead of a shitty 'The Wrath of Khan' rehash.
Who wouldn't have wanted to see those badass silver eyes and Force lightning on the big screen?
At this point, I'm not too bothered. Just sick of remakes.
Who wouldn't have wanted to see those badass silver eyes and Force lightning on the big screen?
At this point, I'm not too bothered. Just sick of remakes.
Oh, heck, NO!! I agree about being sick of all these remakes! The people that control Star Trek don't have a clue anymore about what it is they have. Voyager was lost in the Delta Quadrant because they felt the Alpha quadrant was becoming too familiar but they make contact with the Romulans through a wormhole and run across the Ferengi who are traipsing around. They set Enterprise in the 22nd century because the 24th century is becoming too familiar but we end up dragging the Borg along for an episode and have Trip tiptoeing in his underwear through the ship with the Ferengi in another. Nemesis was a rehash of Data sacrificing himself like Spock in "Wrath of Khan," Riker and the alien fighting struck a familiar chord with me similar to Kirk and Soran fighting on the bridge, and then the Enterprise crashes into the ship again like it crashed on Viridian 3 except for it wasn't completely totaled. Then we have the Abramsverse. I guess Trek has become such a HUGE franchise with a LOT of continuity that it's too hard to keep up with all the facts anymore...so we get back Kirk and company in an alternate timeline. A lot more action and skydiving to drilling platforms, Spock having a more emotional relationship with Uhura...I can treat it as an interesting diversion just like the "Mirror Universe" stories in TOS, DS9 and ENT. But then "Into Darkness" comes along...and we're watching a rehash of "Wrath of Khan" again with Kirk dying instead of Spock. SERIOUSLY???!!! A whole universe of strange new worlds and new civilizations and no one can come up with an original idea after spending millions of dollars on the latest project???!!!! The novels aren't much better. How many times in a vast universe are you going to being constantly tripping over Lenore Karidian, Harry Mudd, etc.? I can see someone like Q with his powers stalking you. I can see someone like Sarek being an important ambassador to the Federation. But the continuity porn and the lack of imagination is starting to wear thin. After all those years of repeats until STTMP and TNG, it would be nice to see something new in the next project and not another series of TOS rehashes like in the Abramsverse comic books. TNG had its moments, so did DS9. But after that those moments became the exception to the rule instead of the norm. I watched all the series religiously and taped them off tv. But when it comes to re-watchability...I never bought the dvds/bluray discs after TOS especially at the prices Paramount was expecting us to pay when compared to a season of other tv shows. When it comes to the 2017 tv show, CBS Access better be providing an interesting premise (Voyager and Enterprise both had them in their pilots but they fizzled out into the same routine of TNG lite) if they expect me to fork out money to watch this new show.
Well, most Trek stories are derivative, although save the whales was pretty out there. There are pros and cons to re-hashing. The Man Trap is roughly equivalent to the Alien movie or possibly the Thing movies and I rather like the idea of Star Trek vs Alien (I even did a comic book mash up on Youtube). First Contact was an up-tempo Man Trap in many respects. The problem is that Trek technology has come such a long way that this type of story is hard to do without either taking the crew away from all their super helpful tech (so I used planetary atmospherics to restrict resources) or hand waving it away i.e. the borg are largely immune. You are also taking a step away from adventure and moving towards horror and it could be tricky to do that effectively.
Into Darkness overall was not really a rehash of TWoK though. It was a mistake to try to replicate the death of Spock (which was a blatant rehash). It was so faithful I was actually laughing through it, whereas Pike's fate I did find to be quite moving. I think I would have preferred Kirk sending Scotty or Chekov to his death in many ways. The fans care about Scotty and he was the best one to fix the ship. Kirk makes the same mistake as Troi in her command exam but we applaud him because he was able to fix the ship by kicking it. I mean that was a seriously poor command decision. It would have carried a lot more resonance if Kirk had been forced to order someone else to his death and the effect on Kirk going forward would have been far more profound. Chekov was assigned to engineering so killing him off in the context of the movie set up would also have worked. Then in the next Movie, his younger brother (i.e. the real TOS Chekov) could have popped up and closed that circle for the die hard fans. I would have felt that to be a more clever move than magic blood but hey ho.
Into Darkness overall was not really a rehash of TWoK though. It was a mistake to try to replicate the death of Spock (which was a blatant rehash). It was so faithful I was actually laughing through it, whereas Pike's fate I did find to be quite moving. I think I would have preferred Kirk sending Scotty or Chekov to his death in many ways. The fans care about Scotty and he was the best one to fix the ship. Kirk makes the same mistake as Troi in her command exam but we applaud him because he was able to fix the ship by kicking it. I mean that was a seriously poor command decision. It would have carried a lot more resonance if Kirk had been forced to order someone else to his death and the effect on Kirk going forward would have been far more profound. Chekov was assigned to engineering so killing him off in the context of the movie set up would also have worked. Then in the next Movie, his younger brother (i.e. the real TOS Chekov) could have popped up and closed that circle for the die hard fans. I would have felt that to be a more clever move than magic blood but hey ho.
Ha ha - that was awesome. Yeah I think it would have worked better. An early appearance by Garth would have worked better for me too.I wish Into Darkness was a loose adaptation of 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' instead of a shitty 'The Wrath of Khan' rehash.
Who wouldn't have wanted to see those badass silver eyes and Force lightning on the big screen?
At this point, I'm not too bothered. Just sick of remakes.
If that was true, the whole board would never have existed at all.
Now, to answer the question: No. It was an okay episode that focused on Bones, but it doesn't need a remake.
True.
Not necessarily. Otherwise there'd be a lot of silly threads that would never have been closed.True.
But no, "Man Trap" doesn't need a do-over. It's a big galaxy out there. Lets see new stuff we've never seen before.
I don't know, I can think of a dozen TOS episodes that could be reimagined as a film before Man Trap.
Before STID came out, and there were rumors that it could actually be an interpretation of Where No Man Has Gone Before, I was all for it. Mirror, Mirror, Balance of Terror, City on the Edge of Forever, Doomsday Machine, The Ultimate Computer, Amok Time (but would have to be radically re-imagined give, well, no Vulcan, and Uhura is Spock's girlfriend), just to name a few.
Before STID came out, and there were rumors that it could actually be an interpretation of Where No Man Has Gone Before, I was all for it. Mirror, Mirror, Balance of Terror, City on the Edge of Forever, Doomsday Machine, The Ultimate Computer, Amok Time (but would have to be radically re-imagined give, well, no Vulcan, and Uhura is Spock's girlfriend), just to name a few.
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