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Should they revisit TOS, in the next series?

azebelys

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Ok, should this film do well, and make bucket loads of money for all companies involved, will the powers that be grant a new series, or try and turn trek into a James Bond style film series (one every 5 years or so)???

if they did make a new series hould they be looking to use the new movie as a background and base the series around TOS's early years or should they try something new?

thoughts?

personally i would love to see a series based around starfleet academy
 
I would love to see a new series. However, if they focus on TOS, they will undoubtedly screw with mythology.

If they ever do a new series, I hope it is something from the TNG era. No Voyager lost in a previously unknown sector; no prequels.

The only "prequel" I would love to see would focus on Robert April or Christopher Pike, however this too would probably mean the powers in control would mess up established mythology.

The last season of Ent began to rectify some of the earlier season screw ups. Too bad it didn't last 7 seasons, I think the new direction was working.
 
I'd like to see them do something else. Let the movie series carry nuTOS
and a new TV series be something post TNG. If they do any new series at all.
 
I would prefer they just let the movies carry the ball for now. Trek needs a great idea to get back into weekly tv.
 
If the movie is a big success, then the 23rd C will be golden and any new TV series will be set in that time period. Probably not with the TOS actors as regulars, but maybe with them as occasional guest stars.

The focus will definitely be Starfleet and space adventures on a starship. They won't futz too much with the premise that they will assume helped make the movie a success. We will probably get more Romulans, too. We won't get ideas that are further afield, like Starfleet Academy, and forget the 24th C for now. Maybe the occasional time-travel foray.

If the movie is not a big success, there won't be a TV series. Either it will key off the movie success or it won't happen.

The bigger question for me is: where the heck do they plan to air this show? CBS, which is part of Paramount's parent company (right?) is demographically all wrong. The other networks are struggling as it is, and any space opera series is too risky/expensive for them.

NBC is the closest to being right for Star Trek, but they are in pure locked-down survival mode, and won't be interested in doing anything but more "safe" crappy cheap reality shows. Sci Fi has too small of an audience. Same goes for other basic cable networks. Premium cable has cachet, but I can't see them stooping to airing Star Trek. I have no idea where this show would go!
Trek needs a great idea to get back into weekly tv.

Trek needs a successful reinvigoration of its brand name to get back into weekly TV. Don't overestimate the value of "ideas" when it comes to TV (just look at the successful shows for proof of that - ideas, what ideas?!? :rommie:)

Paramount is attempting to resurrect Star Trek as a premium brand name via this movie. If it works, the sky's the limit. TV will definitely be in the mix - how could it not be? It's always been Star Trek's most natural home. The movies are just icing on the cake.
 
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If the time travel in this movie establishes Second Continuuity (or, as some will inevitably choose to see it, voids the original), then yes, I would love to see another series set in the time period around it.

If not, then I'd prefer to see a series that picks up after Voyager. Or better yet, picks up after DS9 and IGNORES Voyager like it was Star Trek V's less attractive sister.

I tend to not want have advance knowledge of what is in the future of the fiction I'm trying to enjoy. It's like a giant spoiler. As an example, the first time I saw "City On The Edge Of Forever" I didn't know that they would get the timeline straight again. I suspected, but I didn't know. But after TNG premiered, the TOS materials (books, comics, etc) lost something for me. A lot of them were still good, some were even great, but they couldn't really effectively do things like threaten the fall of the Federation or the destruction of Earth or the universe - because I knew they continued to exist into TNG's era.
 
Given the apparent animosity between CBS and Viacom, I wouldn't be surprised if CBS decides to do its own remake of TOS and cast another group of young actors to play the original crew just to piss Viacom off. They may share Star Trek, but it doesn't mean they have to share the same Star Trek anymore, IMO...

Personally, though, I think for that very reason CBS will probably steer well clear of the 23rd-Century and probably go for something in the 25th-Century. They may even decide to just do an animated series, though...
 
Given the apparent animosity between CBS and Viacom, I wouldn't be surprised if CBS decides to do its own remake of TOS
Do two separate corporate entities have copyright control over Star Trek? That would be a surprising situation.
Personally, though, I think for that very reason CBS will probably steer well clear of the 23rd-Century and probably go for something in the 25th-Century.
CBS will steer clear of Star Trek, period. They don't have the right audience for it in the least and they are doing great just shoveling police procedurals at a geriatric audience. Whoever owns the rights to Star Trek will find another TV home for it, if TV is part of the mix they are planning. I'm sure it won't be CBS and I'm sure CBS won't mind not getting a show that is completely wrong for their branding strategy.

And nobody is going to put the 25th C on TV. What would be the point if it doesn't tap into the success of the movie?
 
As a TV producer, Abrams would be a likely candidate to executive produce another Star Trek series. Given the budget of this film, I wouldn't be surprised if it tried to reuse sets and costumes to keep costs manageable. Therefore, a 23rd century series makes the most sense. It might even be a dreaded Starfleet Academy series to keep the whole Space 90210 feel.
 
If they wanted to respect canon, they should have done the second five year mission with a suped up bridge et al. like Phase II but call it something different like The Human Adventure.
 
If they wanted to respect canon . . .

They don't, that's why the new movie is the way it is.

I would have liked a new series based in the 23rd century in the original canon, but I'll have to wait until I see the new movie before I can judge whether I want a series to take place in this new canon.
 
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Given the apparent animosity between CBS and Viacom, I wouldn't be surprised if CBS decides to do its own remake of TOS
Do two separate corporate entities have copyright control over Star Trek? That would be a surprising situation.
And that's basically the way it is. CBS/Paramount owns the Star Trek TV shows, while Viacom owns the Star Trek movies via Paramount Pictures. While both CBS and Viacom are ultimately owned by Mr. Redstone, that means basically squat. There is apparently no love between the two companies and "Paramount" has sort of been reduced to just a brand name the two share (basically).

Otherwise, one company wouldn't mind seeing the other fall, IMO. It's just really that bad between CBS and Viacom.

Personally, though, I think for that very reason CBS will probably steer well clear of the 23rd-Century and probably go for something in the 25th-Century.
CBS will steer clear of Star Trek, period. They don't have the right audience for it in the least and they are doing great just shoveling police procedurals at a geriatric audience. Whoever owns the rights to Star Trek will find another TV home for it, if TV is part of the mix they are planning. I'm sure it won't be CBS and I'm sure CBS won't mind not getting a show that is completely wrong for their branding strategy.
Don't confuse CBS the television network with [CBS/Paramount] the production company. CBS/Paramount can theoretically produce a show and put it anywhere, including on a rival network, on a cable network, or even in syndication. It was CBS/Paramount that was behind putting TOS-Remastered in syndication...
And nobody is going to put the 25th C on TV.
Never say never. CBS/Paramount can pretty much do anything they want with their part of the franchise, IMO. I believe that the whole idea of parallel universes and alternate timelines in Star Trek XI is really just an excuse for CBS and Viacom to split Star Trek into two separate franchises (movies and TV shows) that can operate independently of one another, with the new movie serving as the point where they originally branched off. The end result will be that Viacom and CBS can each have their own separate Star Trek Universes to play around in. I think it's very likely that if CBS does go ahead with a new Trek series, it will continue in the original timeline that contained the TV shows and not the new one established in the movie.
What would be the point if it doesn't tap into the success of the movie?
And that brings up my earlier comment about not being surprised if CBS/Paramount decides to do their own TOS prequel that would likely have zero to do with Star Trek XI and use all the original designs from TOS. It would be their way of capitalizing on the success of the movie by saying "Hey, kids, here's how it really all started!"

I really do believe that the days of Star Trek existing in a single, shared universe are over and it's mainly because of the apparent falling out between CBS and Viacom. I even think that the design of the new NCC-1701 had less to do with trying to fit modern-day aesthetics and more to do with Viacom trying to avoid a lawsuit from CBS if they used the exact same ship from TOS...
 
It might even be a dreaded Starfleet Academy series to keep the whole Space 90210 feel.

GOD Please NOOOOOOOOOOO! Didn't we get enough of that crap with Roswell?

There was nothing wrong with Roswell... apart from too much M/L, breaking up A/I between S1 and S2... Grant... killing Alex... and every single thing in S3... ahem. Where was I?

Oh right. Roswell was about teenagers, some of whom happened to be aliens. Good show, moments of greatness... nothing at all like Trek.

Trek's strengths are quite different. Trying to be something else just leaves a show as nothing good at all. I think an academy series is just asking for trouble. It just might capture the feel of Trek, whatever that is... but the odds are enormously against it.

If a show is too different from what has come before it should just be a new SF show.
 
And that's basically the way it is. CBS/Paramount owns the Star Trek TV shows, while Viacom owns the Star Trek movies via Paramount Pictures. While both CBS and Viacom are ultimately owned by Mr. Redstone, that means basically squat. There is apparently no love between the two companies and "Paramount" has sort of been reduced to just a brand name the two share (basically).

Otherwise, one company wouldn't mind seeing the other fall, IMO. It's just really that bad between CBS and Viacom.
But you wouldn't see them both making TV shows about Star Trek. Only one has the rights.

Don't confuse CBS the television network with [CBS/Paramount] the production company. CBS/Paramount can theoretically produce a show and put it anywhere, including on a rival network, on a cable network, or even in syndication. It was CBS/Paramount that was behind putting TOS-Remastered in syndication...
Sure, the owners of the rights to Trek on TV might try to make a TV show and place it somewhere that it makes sense. But not on CBS, since it makes no sense there. I just wonder where it might be.
And that brings up my earlier comment about not being surprised if CBS/Paramount decides to do their own TOS prequel that would likely have zero to do with Star Trek XI and use all the original designs from TOS. It would be their way of capitalizing on the success of the movie by saying "Hey, kids, here's how it really all started!"
I don't think many people in the mass audience would care about that question, not enough to support a TV show.

The audience for Trek will either be created by the movie or it won't exist. If the movie creates an audience for Trek on TV, then that is the audience that any TV show that wants to survive must cater to. Any other approach would be doomed. We've all seen just how much of an audience Trek has on TV anymore - a level that got ENT cancelled. Some new factor must be introduced that will boost those numbers way higher. The only factor that can do that is a very profitable mass-market movie (preferably one that can create an international market for Trek, so that the foreign rights to the show can offset the cost of production).

If there's some corporate feud that overcomes the profit motive (something that might exist for as long as people persist in their jobs who want to continue the feud, but such things generally end with a regime change that wants to make their mark and will opt for whatever can make them look good by being profitable, and screw the silly, unprofitable feuds of the old regime), then that might keep Star Trek off TV. But it wouldn't put an alternate form of Star Trek on TV, because there's no reason to believe that alternate would be profitable at all.

What would make it profitable and therefore worth doing is jumping on the bandwagon launched by the movie. Without that motive, CBS will continue to be wall-to-wall police procedurals, because they are unquestionably profitable. What's their motive to make room on their schedule for a pricey space opera their audience won't give a flip about? What's the motive of CBS' production arm to make a pricey space opera they can't find a natural home for? There are far easier ways to make a buck on TV.

I even think that the design of the new NCC-1701 had less to do with trying to fit modern-day aesthetics and more to do with Viacom trying to avoid a lawsuit from CBS if they used the exact same ship from TOS...
Well that and being laughed off the screen. They had to do something about the aesthetics just so that modern audiences would take the movie seriously.
 
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And that's basically the way it is. CBS/Paramount owns the Star Trek TV shows, while Viacom owns the Star Trek movies via Paramount Pictures. While both CBS and Viacom are ultimately owned by Mr. Redstone, that means basically squat. There is apparently no love between the two companies and "Paramount" has sort of been reduced to just a brand name the two share (basically).

Otherwise, one company wouldn't mind seeing the other fall, IMO. It's just really that bad between CBS and Viacom.
But you wouldn't see them both making TV shows about Star Trek. Only one has the rights.
If you mean Star Trek XI (and the ten previous movies), yes, Viacom reserves those rights. But if Viacom wanted to make a TV series based off of Star Trek XI, they probably couldn't for legal reasons.

IMO, the best analogy regarding the relationship between CBS and Viacom is that of a nasty divorce in which both wound up with different divisions of Paramount (and therefore Star Trek) as part of the settlement. I personally see Star Trek XI as a means for Viacom to further distance itself from CBS by having its own separate Star Trek franchise and that any references to canon will only be within the context of the ten previous movies.
And that brings up my earlier comment about not being surprised if CBS/Paramount decides to do their own TOS prequel that would likely have zero to do with Star Trek XI and use all the original designs from TOS. It would be their way of capitalizing on the success of the movie by saying "Hey, kids, here's how it really all started!"
I don't think many people in the mass audience would care about that question, not enough to support a TV show.

The audience for Trek will either be created by the movie or it won't exist. If the movie creates an audience for Trek on TV, then that is the audience that any TV show that wants to survive must cater to. Any other approach would be doomed. We've all seen just how much of an audience Trek has on TV anymore - a level that got ENT cancelled.
I disagree that any new series must cater to the audience of the new movie. Will they be strongly taken into consideration? Of course. But I think it will be more in the form of a show that's probably in the more contemporary tone of the new movie, but for legal reasons will continue in the timeframe of the TV shows. Alternative options could be, as I mentioned earlier, a show that retells Kirk's early days with another new cast separate from the movie (in a deliberate move by CBS to steal Viacom's thunder). Another possibility could be a CGI (or traditionally animated) "young Kirk" series done ala the style of Star Wars: The Clone Wars.
I even think that the design of the new NCC-1701 had less to do with trying to fit modern-day aesthetics and more to do with Viacom trying to avoid a lawsuit from CBS if they used the exact same ship from TOS...
Well that and being laughed off the screen. They had to do something about the aesthetics just so that modern audiences would take the movie seriously.
I disagree with this too. The original design only looks dated in comparison to later-era Trek ships, IMO, but I also think the way it was photographed in TOS is more dated than anything else. I would argue that only longtime Trekkies (and entertainment lawyers) could tell the difference between the classic NCC-1701 and the revised one. But I think more dramatic lighting and camera techniques can make any ship look spectacular...
 
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