Should they have killed Maltz after all?
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^ Where would they go to buy it? Shopping maltz?
In Starlog, Laroquette said when he was on set he kept expecting Kruge to say, "I want some chocolate, Maltz."
He escaped to 20th century Earth and became a lawyer, which is as close to being a Klingon as one could get then and there.
Licensed tie-in authors only have to comply with canonical events, so Maltz's fate (in the ST IV novelization, the "Klingon Dictionary" and the "Genesis Wave" saga, vols 1 & 2), once it was established that the character was not continuing onscreen after ST III, was open to author interpretations. In fact, during the latter part of the 80s and up till September 1991, the novelists and comic writers were often discouraged from making their stories cross over.
Indeed, he did escape to the 20th century. Stowing away in the Bird of Prey!
Maltz behind bars by Ian McLean, on Flickr
"Free Maltz!: his story revealed":
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com.au/2008/08/free-maltz-as-i-mentioned-recently-ive.html
Free Maltz by Ian McLean, on Flickr
Maltz parties! by Ian McLean, on Flickr
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Some people would prefer Single Maltz Whisky
In Australia, we have a variety of packaged cookie called "Malt", with the word printed on each on - and we simply added a "z" to each one with an edible-ink Sharpie to make convention giveaways that looked a bit like this:
Maltz meets Bob de la Lande on "The Today Show" by Ian McLean, on Flickr
I doubt that Starfleet, or the Federation would look kindly on Kirk executing a prisoner.
^ No doubt. And everyone knows Kirk would never do that anyway. He might lead Maltz to believe he was, but that could be a useful tactic to get Maltz to cooperate.
Besides, if Kirk wants to be rid of Maltz, he just has to wait and let Maltz kill himself, which Kirk had every right to expect him to do.
Besides, if Kirk wants to be rid of Maltz, he just has to wait and let Maltz kill himself, which Kirk had every right to expect him to do.
Are you thinking of Klaa from TFF? He was one of the translators (or at least, the actor was there) in TUC.
This calls into question whether being held prisoner by the much-vaunted James T. Kirk is grounds for suicide. If Maltz could escape such confinement, it could be viewed as a sign of superior capability.
Of course, the Vulcans would probably have let him escape, to serve some purpose of espionage or something.
Edit: Aarrgghh, I was responding to Mr. Laser Beam at the bottom of the previous page!
Of course, the Vulcans would probably have let him escape, to serve some purpose of espionage or something.
Edit: Aarrgghh, I was responding to Mr. Laser Beam at the bottom of the previous page!
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I was thinking as a character witness against Kirk. And McCoy asking why General Korrd hadn't been called for the defense.
For a Klingon, being held prisoner by anyone is a dishonor.
Besides, there's obviously no way Maltz could have escaped anyway...
But ritual suicide was not necessarily a Klingon trait at the time. (Although Valkris seemed too accepting that her lover, Kruge, would kill her in ST III - but in the original script proposal she and Kruge were Romulans.)
The Romulans made it a suicide mission in "Balance of Terror" (TOS), and were expected to suicide from embarrassment in "The Practical Joker" (TAS), IIRC.
An incredulous Klingon fanatic/friend complained at the time, of Maltz's off-page suicide in the ST IV novelization, "Who does Vonda McIntyre think Maltz is - a Rom?"
Maltz seemed to think so. "I do not deserve to live!"
Yep. In 2287, Maltz testified at the trial of Captain Kirk in the post-ST V comic, in the issue called "Trial and Error!" (DC Series II, #12).
Well, the Romulans refused to be captured in TOS. Had they been captured, we don't know what would have happened...
In TAS, they certainly were embarrassed, but made no mention of trying to end their misery by ending their lives. Heck, they didn't even mention trying to hide their dishonor from their superiors or anything - "honor" never came up as a factor. The last we heard of them, they were fighting back a stream of just desserts from their synthesizers, and Kirk fully expected them to live through it and then humbly receive some Federation advice.
TOS and TAS Klingons were no more keen on suicide. An agent working for Klingons was ready to die by his own hand in "Elaan of Troyius" - yet Kor never seemed particularly bothered about falling prisoner to Kirk, and "honor" again failed to make an appearance in TAS Klingon vocabulary.
I guess the shameful thing is to be dragged to a prison camp to rot, not to be held captive for a brief while during hectic campaigning. And the most shameful thing of all is to be let free!
Timo Saloniemi
Maltz could just as easily have been hoping Kirk would kill him to incite war with the Federation. He wasn't a high ranking officer (Torg was second in command), and was probably subject to a lifetime of propaganda that had him convinced 'those weakling humans' need to be brought to heel. Plus, he just watched his entire crew get wiped out. He may have been a little depressed.
No they shouldn't have. There was no reason to kill Maltz.
And, why would Maltz even consider killing himself?
"Then I don't deserve to live" to me that's just calling Kirk's bluff. Maltz is no coward to beg for his life and grovel by doing whatever Kirk wants.
"You said you would kill me?" Could be just what it sounds like to me, he's just wondering when it's coming. Kruge didn't really seem to be too worried about killing anyone right away and Maltz is wondering how long is this going to take. Kirk wiped out everyone else, so he may have assumed that he was next. After all, you know just how the Federation treats it's prisoners, the atrocities, the death camps. They will torture Klingons for their scientific and military information.
Maltz probably got a nice house in Hawaii and sells board wax on the beach.
And, why would Maltz even consider killing himself?
"Then I don't deserve to live" to me that's just calling Kirk's bluff. Maltz is no coward to beg for his life and grovel by doing whatever Kirk wants.
"You said you would kill me?" Could be just what it sounds like to me, he's just wondering when it's coming. Kruge didn't really seem to be too worried about killing anyone right away and Maltz is wondering how long is this going to take. Kirk wiped out everyone else, so he may have assumed that he was next. After all, you know just how the Federation treats it's prisoners, the atrocities, the death camps. They will torture Klingons for their scientific and military information.
Maltz probably got a nice house in Hawaii and sells board wax on the beach.
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