Ditto...only hopefully on a much bigger telly!
Should the classic who be colourised? The Debate..
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Ditto...only hopefully on a much bigger telly!
It's funny as someone who really doesn't care for the Star Trek "remastered" FX (which most seem in favor of) that I wouldn't mind seeing these episodes colorized. I have long enjoyed seeing the works of the amateurs who have created these little clips and pics over the years.
Unfortunately, George Lucas put a bad taste in our mouth when he replaced the original versions with his new versions. I think having these as supplementary versions to the original material is a fun diversion and provides something new for the fanbase to discuss.
There is a concern though that even if the DVD's have both versions available that on TV the only one shown may come to be the new versions. Then again, how often do they get shown on TV at all?
Unfortunately, George Lucas put a bad taste in our mouth when he replaced the original versions with his new versions. I think having these as supplementary versions to the original material is a fun diversion and provides something new for the fanbase to discuss.
There is a concern though that even if the DVD's have both versions available that on TV the only one shown may come to be the new versions. Then again, how often do they get shown on TV at all?
Shhhh, you never know when BBC Wales might be scouring forums for ideas.
starsuperion, for someone who claims to be merely acting as a devil's advocate with this Who colourisation idea you do seem to be getting rather worked up about it (going on your response to my previous post, anyway 
). It's just a TV show; brilliant as it often is, it doesn't really matter if "people" do or don't watch it. IMO if they don't they're missing out on some great stuff, but my opinion is neither here nor there.
Colourisation just doesn't seem necessary - regardless of the fact that the originals will be preserved. Think of movies like All About Eve, Psycho, Raging Bull and Schindler's List (to name just four generally well-regarded movies by four generally well-regarded directors, all shot in black and white - with budgetary concerns of any particular relevance probably only to Psycho - and all made when colour was readily available). Should they be colourised as well? Would they be in any way genuinely improved by so doing? People will either watch and like a show (or movie), or they won't. If they need colour to truly appreciate it, it probably isn't for them in the first place. To each their own.
). It's just a TV show; brilliant as it often is, it doesn't really matter if "people" do or don't watch it. IMO if they don't they're missing out on some great stuff, but my opinion is neither here nor there.Colourisation just doesn't seem necessary - regardless of the fact that the originals will be preserved. Think of movies like All About Eve, Psycho, Raging Bull and Schindler's List (to name just four generally well-regarded movies by four generally well-regarded directors, all shot in black and white - with budgetary concerns of any particular relevance probably only to Psycho - and all made when colour was readily available). Should they be colourised as well? Would they be in any way genuinely improved by so doing? People will either watch and like a show (or movie), or they won't. If they need colour to truly appreciate it, it probably isn't for them in the first place. To each their own.
It's been a long time since I've watched a B&W episode of Doctor Who. Were they shot in such a way to really take advantage of the B&W medium using contrast, shadows, and so on?
starsuperion, for someone who claims to be merely acting as a devil's advocate with this Who colourisation idea you do seem to be getting rather worked up about it (going on your response to my previous post, anyway
Colourisation just doesn't seem necessary - regardless of the fact that the originals will be preserved.
Actually, people on both sides are getting overly worked up. Some posters who don't want colorization are acting as if the process would take away their ability to see the originals.
Yeah, it may not be strictly necessary, but if it happened because someone determined that it would be profitable, no biggie.
Mr Awe
Exactly. What could be more important than profit?
Exactly. What could be more important than profit?
money make da world go round..
anyhow, I am not getting upset, and or bent out of shape.. I just like the debates.. and I especially love to debate my good friend, mirrorball, he is sucha good sport, and quite brilliant at times..not to mention we have respect for one another.
cheers!
this trailer basically sums up the hysteria on the trekbbs doctor who fan community towards the colourisation of classic Doctor who..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAiyrees0uM
thank god we are safe, we are in a bowling alley..LOL
Exactly. What could be more important than profit?
Hey a Ferengi without profit is no...oh hang about, wrong forum!
I think we're safe, this comes down to one simple fact, it wouldn't be profitable!
Exactly. What could be more important than profit?
Hey a Ferengi without profit is no...oh hang about, wrong forum!
I think we're safe, this comes down to one simple fact, it wouldn't be profitable!
the same was said about a remastered classic Star Trek, and yet.. the remastered version is preferred..you should have seen the just immense amount of hatred that went on in the debate over that being done..but ultimately the fans liked it..
I think if the colourisation is done right, that it will be eventually embraced.. I also believe that maybe, just maybe the reason there is opposition to the idea, is that it might overtake the classic black and white in popularity..to have this fear is irrational..and so what if a colourised version does overtake the black and white... it's not like it does anything, except enhances the show..
This is really a silly thing to get over re-actively bent out of shape against.. what we should be doing is lobbying the BBC to create the cartoon episodes of the lost series, and put that to the soundtrack that exists..as for the colourisation??
It will eventually happen.. they are already doing episodes that were originally in colour but only survived the "purge" in black and white on inferior film..mostly Pertwee's stuff..
so I think that eventually they will branch out and do the classics..
No you say? hahahaa... profit I say! Why? because eventually the BBC will want to resell the classics, and what better way to offer that again then to release a New DVD set of coloured classics, and then also sell the original Black and Whites on in a separate box set..(instead of releasing them both in one set so we can watch them both, doesn't that sound like the BBC to release them in separate box sets to gouge us and get more money? If you think the BBC isn't greedy, you guys are seriously naive..if you buy the box set of the Specials of the 10th doctor you get a deal in some places.. but to buy 1 special at 40.00 or close to it, is absolutley ridiculous! if I had bought the specials 1 at a time, I would have spent over 250.00!! as it stands I bought the entire complete specials for 40.00...)
Money, money, money, I won't complain.. because this profit will go to add to the special effects budget and pension plans of the unions that control the BBC..
so maybe we will get something cool, or maybe that janitor who works for 5 minutes and reads or watches movies the next 30 minutes gets his 30K salary and pension of 150K upon retirement cause we order colourised DVD's of the classic who..LOL gotta love socialism in action!
The remastered version of Trek is preferred? Says who? Not me. I haven't bought it. I've no intention of buying it. I have the original on DVD and I enjoy very much thank you.
Exactly. What could be more important than profit?
It would help keep some people employed. And, if you're a business, nothing is more important than a profit!
For us viewers, well, it doesn't hurt. We don't have to watch them.
Mr Awe
Exactly. What could be more important than profit?
Hey a Ferengi without profit is no...oh hang about, wrong forum!
I think we're safe, this comes down to one simple fact, it wouldn't be profitable!
You may well be right for the time being. Although, as the cost decreases, that may change.
But, would you really consider yourself unsafe if colorized versions would be released?!
Mr Awe
ave you watched the remastered series? I have, and I will admit at first, I was apprehensive..
but as I watched a wonderous thing happened.. I got really excited to see the new effects, and clean opening screens.. it was like watching the classic series for the first time.. something that had not engendered that fantastic feeling since I was ten years old watching reruns of the original series on tv...I was eager to see every episode once more! to see what was new, and be amazed by the story with a fresh face to it...
This alone was enough to change my mind, but then there were the CGI spaceships, designs based on Jeffries art that did not have a chance to get made due to their budget and limits of their technology of the 60's..
I read up on the care and history they took to make the remastered series what it should have been back then.. and I came to now love and prefer the remastered classic trek, to that of the original..
sorry, but I think that if art is limited, due to constraints out of the artists control, that to go back and make it whole is a good thing.. as an artist myself, I do go back and fix things as I become more advanced later.
we always hear that people should open their minds to new things, but what bugs me the most about fandoms is there are always these purists who just can not embrace anything new..often times they are the ones the most vocal in their opposition, like screaming sheep..
take for example transformers.."Michael Bay ruined my childhood!" this whiny crap was all over the net, and yet, I thought the new movie did well to make the transformers look and feel realistic..were there things that could have been done better? sure, but the purists just could not let go of the classic 80's blocky look, and yet now many of them like the new series..
so I think that at some point things have to change, and at some point, there has to be a painted statue..cause just a plain white armless body is classic, and historic, but how many times will you go back to see it?? the mona lisa is beautiful, but my screen saver of her holding a cigg would be on my laptop..simply cause it is more interesting and funny..
classic and historical items have their place.. and preservation is necessary, but to me, in this debate, as a minority..
I still think that going back and making the shows in colour, is adding something they could not do back then..
If we are going to follow the logic of the fans who say leave it alone, black and white is a part of history, then the lost episodes should stay lost, it too is a part of history that the BBC lost those episodes and making cartoons to bring those stories back should not be done..cause you are then ruining the historic value of the BBC throwing those shows out..it's a part of history..
right??
That's a bit silly isn't it? Recreating something that no longer exists in its original format so that it can still be enjoyed on some level is is one thing, tinkering with something that still exists as it was aside from some degredation of the images is something else.
I never got a chance to watch any of the remastered TOS episodes, but I saw some of the images and they did look cool, but however much you jazz up the Cgi once you go back inside the ship it has the same old consoles that look like they were made in the sixties. For me it would seem jarring.
That said I did like the new SFX they did for the Dalek saucers in Dalek Invasion of Earth...however they did keep the effects in B7W and in a sixties style!
I never got a chance to watch any of the remastered TOS episodes, but I saw some of the images and they did look cool, but however much you jazz up the Cgi once you go back inside the ship it has the same old consoles that look like they were made in the sixties. For me it would seem jarring.
That said I did like the new SFX they did for the Dalek saucers in Dalek Invasion of Earth...however they did keep the effects in B7W and in a sixties style!
I think that's quite enough of that.
Adding colors to old black and white shows is not "something new". Adding a cigarette to the Mona Lisa is not "something new". Adding CGI effects to old TV shows is not "something new". Those are just ill-considered attempts to make money by selling the same stuff to the same people twice, or to appeal to the flimsy tastes of the ADD crowd. It's commerce, it doesn't pretend to be anything else, and neither historical accuracy, nor artistic intent, and apparently not even taste stand a chance against it.
Creating a new show, writing a new book, painting a new picture, that's "something new", and that's what we're all supposed to embrace because ultimately it has the potential to make mankind better, to give meaning to our lives and to change the world.
Being opposed to the crass exploitation of art for profit is not being a "sheep", it's simply common sense.
I would be for coloring only if said original source were not to suffer from it. If I get a copy of, say, An Unearthly Child, and there's two discs in there -- One has the original B&W copy, and the other a newly remastered, colorized version -- what would be the harm in that? I'd love the opportunity to see something old with a new angle or look. It would be fun to see if the color choices actually worked against what my mind had already decided. For example, every time I see Troughton in a color shot of that blue button-up he wears, it doesn't make sense to my brain, as I was "certain" that shirt was white. So, I'd love stuff like that...