Should 'Star Trek XII'/'Star Trek 2012' at least be inspired by TOS?
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Re: Should 'Star Trek XII'/'Star Trek 2012' at least be inspired by TO
Now,Now play nice!If it's not a remake of Spock's brain I'm out!
Considering who would be playing Spock in it that would be ironic.
I'm all for that, but as a ''ENTERPRISE'' movie not ''Nu-Trek'' as far as Nu-TREK is concerned, I would like to see NEW stories, We ''Finally'' have some new blood on this franchise let's take ADVANTAGE of that!We could also pick up some of ENT's better ideas...
The Andorians and the Aenar, for example, or former Federation President Archer (think Gerald Ford) - with Porthos VIII (think 'The Simpsons' Snowball) in tow - telling everybody about the good old days, or an elderly T'Pol having a pep talk with Spock over a bowl of Plomeek soup or 'Whatever happened to the Suliban?'...
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I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
We could also pick up some of ENT's better ideas...
The Andorians and the Aenar, for example, or former Federation President Archer (think Gerald Ford) - with Porthos VIII (think 'The Simpsons' Snowball) in tow - telling everybody about the good old days, or an elderly T'Pol having a pep talk with Spock over a bowl of Plomeek soup or 'Whatever happened to the Suliban?'...
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
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Is that a good thing?
We could also pick up some of ENT's better ideas...
The Andorians and the Aenar, for example, or former Federation President Archer (think Gerald Ford) - with Porthos VIII (think 'The Simpsons' Snowball) in tow - telling everybody about the good old days, or an elderly T'Pol having a pep talk with Spock over a bowl of Plomeek soup or 'Whatever happened to the Suliban?'...
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Is that a good thing?
Re: Should 'Star Trek XII'/'Star Trek 2012' at least be inspired by TO
Okay, let's sum up (before this thread ultimately goes down the data drain due to a general lack of public interest)...
Okay, let's sum up (before this thread ultimately goes down the data drain due to a general lack of public interest)...
- As I expected, nobody wants to have 1-to-1 remakes of the classic TOS episodes in the nuTrek context... ergo, no 'Star Trek XII: Where no Man has gone before' and 'Star Trek XIII: The Trouble with Tribbles', followed by 'Star Trek XIV: Elaan of Troiyus'.
- This means absolutely spanking new adventures to fill out the gaps in the U.S.S. Enterprise's history... before, during and after the historical first five-year mission.
- Absolutely non-negotiable is the characterization of the lead characters... Kirk (the Shat) is Kirk (Pine), Spock (Nimoy) is Spock (Quinto) and so on, no matter whether in the prime timeline or in another quantum reality.
- However, a little nod now and then would be desirable, if only to please the long-time fans... you know, certain persons, locations, events could be included or hinted at - everybody out there has his/her favourites, so you name it.
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These are going to be new missions in a new timeline. Old timeline still exists, but new timeline can go onward with fresh writing. Problem with TNG was that there was too much of a temptation to go back to TOS for ideas, and not to experiment.
Orci and Kurtzman don't have that luxury with what Paramount is going to give them, especially in these times.
These are going to be new missions in a new timeline. Old timeline still exists, but new timeline can go onward with fresh writing. Problem with TNG was that there was too much of a temptation to go back to TOS for ideas, and not to experiment.
Orci and Kurtzman don't have that luxury with what Paramount is going to give them, especially in these times.
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For example, I think one of the things that I think you'll see develop is a much closer relationship, bordering on the romantic, between Kirk and Uhura. The "big three" (Kirk, Spock, McCoy) will become the "big four" to include Uhura. She's already been fronted up in the advertising, and I think you'll see the beginnings of this in the film to go after the female demographic.
For example, I think one of the things that I think you'll see develop is a much closer relationship, bordering on the romantic, between Kirk and Uhura. The "big three" (Kirk, Spock, McCoy) will become the "big four" to include Uhura. She's already been fronted up in the advertising, and I think you'll see the beginnings of this in the film to go after the female demographic.
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I agree and disagree. I agree that Uhura should be given a prominent role but don't think she should be in a romantic relationship with Kirk. I'd rather she just be a strong, professional presence in the series.
As for sequels, I don't think any TOS episode in particular would translate well. The best ST film, TWOK, had a very TV-episode like feel, but I really prefer TMP; the scope was grand. Space is big. I hope the producers come up with big stories for this new crew. Maybe there can be some Mudd's women cameos to make fans like me happy. Or hippies in space. Or Adonais. Definitely need a giant green hand.
I agree and disagree. I agree that Uhura should be given a prominent role but don't think she should be in a romantic relationship with Kirk. I'd rather she just be a strong, professional presence in the series.
As for sequels, I don't think any TOS episode in particular would translate well. The best ST film, TWOK, had a very TV-episode like feel, but I really prefer TMP; the scope was grand. Space is big. I hope the producers come up with big stories for this new crew. Maybe there can be some Mudd's women cameos to make fans like me happy. Or hippies in space. Or Adonais. Definitely need a giant green hand.
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I, too, think that there won't be a (longer-lasting) relationship between Uhura and Kirk. She will be her own, strong woman, not just a groupie. On the other hand, a steady relationship would completely go against Kirk's character, since he used to bed almost every female - both human and not-so-human - he met during TOS' run...
I agree, particularly with regards to the grand scope. So far, no Trek feature film could top or even equal TMP's scope (except, perhaps, Picard's Borg memories from 'First Contact'... all in all, FC is the only serious contender, just think about the space battle or the EVA scene). You simply have to have more awe-inspiring 'Oooh!' moments (the Star Wars prequels had those - remember Felucia, Mygeeto and Order 66?). And for the cameos - the sky (or rather the Galactic Barrier) is the limit!
I, too, think that there won't be a (longer-lasting) relationship between Uhura and Kirk. She will be her own, strong woman, not just a groupie. On the other hand, a steady relationship would completely go against Kirk's character, since he used to bed almost every female - both human and not-so-human - he met during TOS' run...
I agree, particularly with regards to the grand scope. So far, no Trek feature film could top or even equal TMP's scope (except, perhaps, Picard's Borg memories from 'First Contact'... all in all, FC is the only serious contender, just think about the space battle or the EVA scene). You simply have to have more awe-inspiring 'Oooh!' moments (the Star Wars prequels had those - remember Felucia, Mygeeto and Order 66?). And for the cameos - the sky (or rather the Galactic Barrier) is the limit!
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Why would anyone want to remake a successful series. To do something better? I like that it's different and everything else about it but it's pervue should always remain that of prequels and not veer into the five year mission proper and the Valient etc. that we all know about. I think the next T.v. series should be the next phase five year mission with Kirk, Spock et. al as was originally planned. First and foremost the convergance factor is not there. Exclusionary practices have not reached a criticle mass in Hollywood. We won't be getting the best story with the best music with the best production values anymore. GR is dead.
Why would anyone want to remake a successful series. To do something better? I like that it's different and everything else about it but it's pervue should always remain that of prequels and not veer into the five year mission proper and the Valient etc. that we all know about. I think the next T.v. series should be the next phase five year mission with Kirk, Spock et. al as was originally planned. First and foremost the convergance factor is not there. Exclusionary practices have not reached a criticle mass in Hollywood. We won't be getting the best story with the best music with the best production values anymore. GR is dead.
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The most important thing to me is that there be real character arcs, not giant 90 minute tv episodes. What killed the worst of the previous films for me was the inescapable certainty that regardless of the boogeyman threat, in the end it would be all neatly resolved, and everything would go back to the nice, sequel-safe status quo. That, unfortunately, is very tricky to do within the confines of established Trek continuity. Personally, I'd rather see them take "temporal inertia" approach to it, where big events will still happen, but the details may be different than they were in the original timeline. I don't want to see them re-do the original episodes, though.
Hmmm, wait. I take it back! I want Gorn!
The most important thing to me is that there be real character arcs, not giant 90 minute tv episodes. What killed the worst of the previous films for me was the inescapable certainty that regardless of the boogeyman threat, in the end it would be all neatly resolved, and everything would go back to the nice, sequel-safe status quo. That, unfortunately, is very tricky to do within the confines of established Trek continuity. Personally, I'd rather see them take "temporal inertia" approach to it, where big events will still happen, but the details may be different than they were in the original timeline. I don't want to see them re-do the original episodes, though.
Hmmm, wait. I take it back! I want Gorn!
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I second that. Of course, things tend to drift apart more and more the further you move away from the point of divergence (Nero destroying the U.S.S. Kelvin, I suppose)
Okay, just for once... but I want Elaan of Elas!
I second that. Of course, things tend to drift apart more and more the further you move away from the point of divergence (Nero destroying the U.S.S. Kelvin, I suppose)
Hmmm, wait. I take it back! I want Gorn!
Okay, just for once... but I want Elaan of Elas!
Re: Should 'Star Trek XII'/'Star Trek 2012' at least be inspired by TO
I'd love to see CGI Gorn, Horta, Mugato, et al, in JJ era Trek sequels. I hope Abrams and Orci and Kurtzman return for a few more movies, actually. (Unless this one happens to suck, of course. Which I don't think it will)
I'd love to see CGI Gorn, Horta, Mugato, et al, in JJ era Trek sequels. I hope Abrams and Orci and Kurtzman return for a few more movies, actually. (Unless this one happens to suck, of course. Which I don't think it will)
Re: Should 'Star Trek XII'/'Star Trek 2012' at least be inspired by TO
They should do an episode stressing that the Trek universe has been reset and anyone that doesn't accept that should stop watching Trek.
At which point the universe collapses and Daleks take over.
They should do an episode stressing that the Trek universe has been reset and anyone that doesn't accept that should stop watching Trek.
At which point the universe collapses and Daleks take over.
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